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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg

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I'm still getting an occasional letter

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from a listener suggesting that Chris

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O'Brien is eating while working now I

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know we didn't put up with this I'm not

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I juggle occasionally but I turn my mic

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off well I don't know what's going on

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here I don't hear you eating I mean

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puddles every single episode of the

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power cast I hear twice okay I hear it

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when we do the show I hear it when I do

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the post-production editing and I'll

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hear a meeting I think maybe one time or

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twice I heard him chewing a little bit

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that's it

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where's my nicotine gum you make me

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nervous so I katene gum well I do a lot

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of things to people I think I have a

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group of people right now they hear my

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voice for the first time they opened the

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window and they jump out no no you just

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have that effect on small animals and

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children my son didn't jump out the

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window

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teddy bear does not try to leave the

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house in fact it's so cold what teddy

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bear does when we take him out for his

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morning yeah what's up-dock sojourn

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because it's been kind of cold in

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Arizona like in the 30s in the Phoenix

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area he does his thing and starts

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running back to the house he's had

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enough you can't wait to get back inside

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where it's toasty warm we hope when the

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heating system works don't get me

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started on that lots of books out there

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that we're going to talk about next week

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as a matter of fact we'll be

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interviewing Mike Cleland who hasn't

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been on the para casts in something like

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2009 and he's author of a new book

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called the messengers owls synchronicity

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and the UFO abductee okay this book

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published by Richard Dolan who does the

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introduction and he's got I did have

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granted

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to zillions of people in this book and I

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think he mentions the power cast once or

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twice I'll do a search right now you

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hear me type this is real radio here he

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called me in the middle of the writing

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process and bounced uh I think was

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earlier like early summer and asked me

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about coyote howling and I gave him sort

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of the stock Native American

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interpretations from around here and I'm

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not sure if it was included in the book

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but I was glad to help out he sent me a

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couple of messages on Facebook about

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different things and again I helped him

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out he was very gracious about taking

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the information and let's see how

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everything plays out this is not a very

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small book it's a medium sized book and

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what's more interesting is I got my copy

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of the eBook version on the very same

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day we were talking to Walter Bosley

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about synchronicity now I don't know if

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this is a case of reopening old wounds

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but the other day I get a copy of a book

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brand new book it looks like I opened it

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up and say wait a minute

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is this deja vu all over again yes yogi

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also John Fogerty does song like that he

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had the lyric deja vu all over again

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anyway it's called the Aztec UFO

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incident wait a minute we did a show on

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this a few years ago with Scott Ramsey

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and Suzanne Ramsey now I have to tell

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you as you know listeners I don't buy a

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stick as a real example of the UFO crash

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Chris goes along with me on that I do

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like Scott Ramsey we had a pleasant

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lunch at a restaurant called Baba

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in Tempe Arizona he comes to Arizona

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occasionally to do business and he

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seemed like a really nice guy and

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shortly after we did this episode and we

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also had a debate with him and Kevin

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Randle shortly after we did this episode

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he says he's working on new material and

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I said okay and I gave him suggestions

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because the first book was

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self-published

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and there were some flaws in the way it

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was laid out and written well he went to

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a real publisher new page books now new

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page is a real publisher that does a

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number of UFO and paranormal related

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so I guess this is the slick version it

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doesn't look like it's padded as much

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with photographs and repeating old

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documents that have nothing to do with

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the case I haven't read it yet so I

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don't know when I say reopening old

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wounds I don't know this may be a more

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compelling presentation of the case for

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Astec I don't want to prejudge it I will

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look over the book Chris will look over

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his copy of the book and if we think

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there's something very to discuss we'll

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have him back on the show I don't want

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to make promises I did talk with him

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about the possibility and maybe this

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will happen after the first of the new

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year but no guarantees okay I don't know

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this may be as thin as the previous book

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I want to be fair to the guy though so

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obviously he's done a lot more work and

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we want to see the results speaking of

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occasionally I'll chew gum and walk at

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the same time and we've had presidents

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who couldn't do that I can chew gum rub

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my belly and Pat my head and walk at the

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same time check that out do a video show

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us prove it but you okay I was by the

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way boning up on my Klingon this past

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week ah good that reminds us of today's

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guests right now I remember there was a

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movie called talk to the animals

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I forget who was in it but we have a

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book I got here called how to talk to an

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alien by someone named Nancy do Terra

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and I think I got the name right she

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told us how to pronounce it now under

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normal circumstances I would have

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dismissed this book and then I look it's

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got an introduction by Stanton Friedman

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wait a minute of course the Aztec book

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has an introduction by Stanton Friedman

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too but it kind of gives the book a

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little more credibility than you might

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expect it's not a big book it's less

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than 200 pages and the subtitle is can

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they speak our languages can they read

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our minds what are they trying to tell

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us again I had to look in my basic

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Klingon in fact I posted a message in

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our forums saying the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio in Klingon

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how about that you know I was wondering

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what that was para cast gold month wha

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booth rueful Whoville that to D'Youville

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oh yes so now we're all learning Klingon

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because next year is going to be a new

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Star Trek movie Star Trek beyond I guess

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we have to learn all sorts of Star Trek

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lingo we can't talk like Yoda though

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because in the new film The Force

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awakens Yoda is been dead for 30 or 40

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years

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oh that's I liked Yoda and Carrie Fisher

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does not wear the bikini in the new film

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that's probably

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good thing she also lost about 30 40

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that's very dull tea well she's a wacky

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lady you know I mean she's very funny

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she's also has diamonds on the soles of

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her shoes is that where he got it from

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yeah

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they and lived together for years yes

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they did that was Paul Simon you know

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through the 80s into the 90s and then he

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I think he's with Edie Brickell no I

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lost track he was in court being

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arrested for arguing with his wife and

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he looked like a little old rabbi Paul

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Simon a rabbi the book is called how to

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talk to an alien Nancy do titre is our

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guest coming up with Jean and Kris

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you're in the Berger cast let's take a

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messing with me when I went to high

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school someone kept calling me schnitzel

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burger yeah I was a fat kid then so that

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I was the butt of jokes but I fooled

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them all I got skinny by the time I was

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18 and I weigh today about 3 pounds less

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than I did then and nothing's been cut

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off so it's really the same me any case

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let's let's talk about this how to talk

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to an alien now what is the motivation

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for you to write a book like this tell

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us more about yourself well I I have

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absolutely no clear motivation

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writing such a book I've tried to figure

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it out and I cannot find it I can tell

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you that in my voyage or journey into

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the UFO field it's been all backwards

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meaning that I didn't you know I came

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from a very academic family type

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background nobody believed in anything

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that was out of the ordinary and

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everybody is incredibly logical very

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analytic and all that and I ended up

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going into well several careers I've

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owned and operated several businesses

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and I became an attorney I specialized

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in securities litigation and then I did

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sort of this strange detour I thought I

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was gonna write a book about the

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psychology of intuition so I thought it

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was gonna be you know psychology that's

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sort of you know that's not off limits

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and anyway long story short I got into

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the entire I got into the psychic world

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I trained for over well roughly a decade

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I was apprenticed to a well-known

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psychic detective I trained to become a

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spiritual medium I trained to become a

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remote viewer I you know so I did all

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that stuff and then slowly slowly I

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ventured into the paranormal world and I

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went in there slowly because I am a

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believer in the power of various

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different types of spiritual entities

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that you don't necessarily see or even

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for many people experience directly in

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their lifetimes so I went in slowly and

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did that and then I figured all that was

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not related to UFOs I thought everything

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was separate and I ended up this was

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just a few years ago as 2011 I had a

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major UFO sighting with my daughter and

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at that point it's sort of a game

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changer you know when you see something

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as big as a football field covered with

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orange lights hanging in the sky above

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you about somewhere between 500 to a

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thousand feet up it's the size of a

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football field and that does some

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you you and and then it either cloaks

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itself or D materializes and it sends

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out a 15 to 20 foot diameter orb to go

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apparently searching around I mean stuff

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like that is just outside the bounds of

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our normal experiences and when you do

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experience it it changes changes

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everything so I got into the UFO field

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that way but in terms of you know why I

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chose to write a book about alien

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communication I'm not really sure why I

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did that I all I know is that every this

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is my fifth book every other book that

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I've written took me about 10 years to

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write this one took me two months and it

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has been very well received I have

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created something that I call XO

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linguistics which to my knowledge has

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not been done in the UFO field before so

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I think it's sort of it's created kind

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of just a different angle within the

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field the thing I wondered about when I

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started to approach this book is are we

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putting the cart before the horse here

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because yes the prevailing point of view

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about UFOs is that they are spaceships

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that were being visited by aliens but

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that's not proven yet that's just a

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theory because we're trying to figure

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out what's going on we have things that

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appear to be metallic summon tremendous

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size engaging in pinpoint maneuvers

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things our conventional aircraft cannot

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do but that doesn't take us to the next

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step where we have to think we have

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someone to talk to yet so do you think

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maybe you're prejudging this no you ever

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seen a quark in other words theoretical

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physics is theoretical and it's based on

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people people do this in astrophysics

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all the time too

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I mean when you talk about you know dark

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energy dark matter that those aren't

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things those are place markers for

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things that we know have effects that's

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all but how do we know that UFOs have

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effects and that they're alien well I

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mean

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you do a little research you start

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gathering as much anecdotal information

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as you can if you're lucky enough like I

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have been to have had many such

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experiences then you you already sort of

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know that it's the real thing you just

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got to go out there and try and document

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it so that other people will be

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satisfied I'm not saying they're not

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real okay don't get me wrong I think

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something real is happening I've been

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following this subject for a long long

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time as is Chris the key here is what

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are they and where are they from

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just because they're real doesn't

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immediately say okay this is alien do

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you follow me well yeah I mean it's like

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anything else you you you follow the

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evidence and I think that there have

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been many suggestions by a number of

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very well-known ufologists I mean valet

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and Keele among them that these are it

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maybe they don't even know but maybe

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certain forms of mental deceptions and

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that may very well be true because based

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on my research and based on I mean I I

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know many many people had first-hand

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experiences so so based on conversations

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research and everything that I've seen

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it's entirely possible given their

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ability to engage in mind-control that

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they they could create you know mental

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the equivalent of Holograms you know

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that we would see or the equivalent of

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hallucinations I think it's interesting

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when you're able to manipulate several

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minds simultaneously and get them all to

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engage in a mass hallucination if that's

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what it is

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and I don't you know I don't discount

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that I don't discount that they are

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interdimensional entities time-traveling

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entities that they have or you know just

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plain old physical matter that or

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they've done a lot of traveling through

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you know galaxies

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okay now that spreads into another realm

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that's more all-encompassing and now now

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you're talking as some of us are want to

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possibilities that may be responsible

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for the presence of UFOs and as we hear

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the plane overhead which I do not think

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is a black helicopter we've got Nancy do

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[Music]

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hi this is Bryce Abel I'm the producer

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of dark skies the co-author of AD after

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disclosure and you are listening to the

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para cast the gold standard of

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paranormal radio okay so look at the

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other possibilities here Nancy do

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territories talking about it the book is

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how to talk to an alien so maybe some

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force is messing with our minds a

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trickster ish kind of thing man Nancy

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what do you think the trickster is well

622
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known and the trickster certainly is

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well known in the paranormal field where

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you know people have to be very careful

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for example if you're out there and

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you're doing a little ghost hunting or

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ghost busting and you go out there and

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you're trying to connect with some

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spirits and you see this cute little

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girl and she's sweet and she's little

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and she says oh please will you come you

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know talk to me and then all of a sudden

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you realize that this is not a sweet

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little girl spirit this is maybe not

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even the deceased spirit of a human

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being this is some type of a really vile

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energy and negative energy and it

638
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becomes obvious at certain points when

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they begin to mess with you

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so yeah I mean I think that the the

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trickster concept is a concept that

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applies in this virtual world and that

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includes the alien world I think the

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alien world is inhabited by all

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different types of entities ranging from

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purely physical to physical spiritual to

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all different shades and flavors of

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spiritual so you have to be careful all

649
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right so if these UFOs are trickster

650
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related are hallucinations whom do you

651
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talk to well first of all that's your

652
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categorization that's not mine

653
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I I don't know that they are trickster

654
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related I'm saying you have to make sure

655
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that you don't discount that as a

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possibility so what do you think they

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are are you certain therefore they are

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spaceships you know I I think that based

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on some of my experiences and I've

660
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experienced these with these sightings

661
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that way on many many occasions with

662
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many many other people and they have

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involved communications back with us

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that might sense is that they're part of

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our reality like anything else is inside

666
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our reality I don't know that I can you

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know explain it any further than that if

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you've done anything that's been

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mind-altering and your way back distant

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00:29:47,299 --> 00:29:45,840
past or even more recent past you sort

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of know what that feels like

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and that ain't this this is very

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different this has the sitings UFO

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sightings have the sensation at least

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for me of being something very much

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within my real reality the problem is

677
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that because they're so elusive

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they don't necessarily take part in what

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we call our consensus reality which is

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our scientific reality and it's our

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normal everyday reality where everybody

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is able to see you know when they look

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at the the window the grass is green and

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you can look at your window and say yeah

685
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I think it's green we don't really know

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what green means or if you see the same

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colored green that I see but we seem to

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generally agree that grass tends to be

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consistently whatever that is okay so if

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we put UFOs directly in our reality

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obviously if it's a real object it's

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under intelligent control we would love

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to speak to those intelligences so where

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do we go from there well it's funny that

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you say obviously because and I think

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that's great that you do because to me

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it seemed obviously also so I was very

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very surprised to discover in you know

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my own exploring that the UFO field that

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it didn't really seem to be obvious to

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00:31:10,159 --> 00:31:07,490
anyone else the fact that they are

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apparently in all kinds of documented

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00:31:15,049 --> 00:31:12,840
cases they're messing with our nuclear

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00:31:18,049 --> 00:31:15,059
weapons systems here and in Russia that

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they're missing significantly and having

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for decades if not centuries in our you

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know commercial airspace and military

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airspace they're abducting people

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there's all kinds of evidence of that

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and they certainly know many people who

711
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have had very traumatic experiences you

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know

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wouldn't you want to communicate with

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them other than the fact that they don't

715
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seem to be part of this consensus

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reality that we have so when I wrote my

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00:31:47,350 --> 00:31:43,820
book had to talk to an alien I sort of

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thought well this seems obvious it's

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important that we talk to them we got to

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figure out what are their intentions who

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are they what what are their cultures if

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they have any what's their business with

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us I mean that's kind of critical well

724
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what happens when you have an experience

725
00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:06,650
such as my experience at age 7 when I

726
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was you know close enough to touch

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00:32:15,190 --> 00:32:11,600
non-human entities three or four of them

728
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at one point in they follow me around at

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3 in the morning in my neighborhood

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because I was trying to get to a house

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to make a phone call cuz they kept

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hitting me off at the pass and I kept

733
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ask him what do you want what do you

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want you know talk to me and they did

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not communicate or even come close to

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communicating to me in terms of

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imparting any sort of languaging either

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telepathically or physically small Knapp

739
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mouth noises none of that happen so a

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person in that sort of position I mean

741
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don't they have to kind of take the

742
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first step and break open the line of

743
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communication even though you're trying

744
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and they're not responding isn't it the

745
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onus on them well first of all I think

746
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that's amazing that you had that

747
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experience second of all I guess my

748
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first question would be were they like

749
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little greys they were my size

750
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they were extremely skinny I called them

751
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stick men they had large heads I don't I

752
00:33:15,580 --> 00:33:11,990
blocked out what their eyes look like

753
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the the three in the front were holding

754
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what appeared to be like foot and a half

755
00:33:24,010 --> 00:33:21,740
two foot self-illuminated sparkly wands

756
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there seemed to be one in the back kind

757
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of hiding that would seem to be taller

758
00:33:30,460 --> 00:33:27,710
and it was kind of hiding in the back

759
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they had no clothes they had no outward

760
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appearance of genitalia they were an

761
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off-white kind of a dirty white greyish

762
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:38,810
color of course that was partially doing

763
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the fact that was dark and yeah it was

764
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it was was it wasn't terrifying until

765
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they turned side

766
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and I noticed that they had no depth

767
00:33:53,380 --> 00:33:50,750
they look like pieces of paper then it

768
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:53,390
became a terrifying experience but prior

769
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to that I was even at one point was

770
00:33:58,870 --> 00:33:56,720
hollering at him what do you want what

771
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he who hunt why are you following me

772
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:01,970
you know and just absolute implacable

773
00:34:08,010 --> 00:34:05,360
they they moved as one like cattails in

774
00:34:11,619 --> 00:34:08,020
the wind and they did not communicate

775
00:34:16,260 --> 00:34:11,629
sounds like they were along the lines of

776
00:34:19,330 --> 00:34:16,270
the Betty and Reyes and Luca type of

777
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almost like an accordion image of the

778
00:34:24,700 --> 00:34:22,850
same thing that kind of moved as one go

779
00:34:27,879 --> 00:34:24,710
I think could have been a hologram for

780
00:34:31,240 --> 00:34:27,889
all I know they did cast a shadow yeah

781
00:34:34,300 --> 00:34:31,250
so maybe they seemed physical when they

782
00:34:36,070 --> 00:34:34,310
were backlit by a streetlight that there

783
00:34:37,690 --> 00:34:36,080
was a shadow I remember when they came

784
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through the light though they turned

785
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:39,800
sideways and came through like thin

786
00:34:43,389 --> 00:34:41,570
lines of paper I could barely see them

787
00:34:45,730 --> 00:34:43,399
as they came through and then once they

788
00:34:47,610 --> 00:34:45,740
got through they turned around and and

789
00:34:50,619 --> 00:34:47,620
they were full-figured again but

790
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:50,629
apparently with no depth they just had

791
00:34:55,210 --> 00:34:52,370
heightened and width they didn't have

792
00:34:56,919 --> 00:34:55,220
depth they were two-dimensional at least

793
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:56,929
during that one part of the experience

794
00:35:00,880 --> 00:34:58,880
they sure seemed that way and that of

795
00:35:03,100 --> 00:35:00,890
course was very from extremely

796
00:35:06,700 --> 00:35:03,110
disturbing to me as a pretty bright

797
00:35:09,220 --> 00:35:06,710
little kid and you know I've mentioned

798
00:35:11,590 --> 00:35:09,230
this occurrence obviously a number of

799
00:35:12,970 --> 00:35:11,600
times on the show here but in for many

800
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:12,980
years I wouldn't talk about it because I

801
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:15,530
was too embarrassed that I had such a

802
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:18,410
you know a loonie sounding experience

803
00:35:22,090 --> 00:35:20,720
and I knew very you know quickly that I

804
00:35:24,270 --> 00:35:22,100
should probably not talk too much about

805
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:24,280
it of course my parents said I was

806
00:35:28,660 --> 00:35:26,690
sleepwalking having a nightmare bah bah

807
00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:28,670
bah but you know I've never sleepwalked

808
00:35:32,950 --> 00:35:31,250
ever in my life before since and it did

809
00:35:35,530 --> 00:35:32,960
take some time my sister did finally

810
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:35,540
find me meaning with 20 minutes 45

811
00:35:41,500 --> 00:35:36,800
minutes late or something like that I'm

812
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:41,510
we're not sure but it was a a real

813
00:35:46,690 --> 00:35:43,490
experience there's no question in my

814
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:46,700
mind that I actually had almost had

815
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interaction with these non-physical

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beings I never saw a ship I never saw

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anything to indicate high-technology

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except for these glittering wands which

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I called him stickman with Spears

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the only description I can come up with

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but yeah it's the whole idea I wanted

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some sort of communication and that was

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denied me and that that that kind of

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the highly unusual experience that you

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at least want to get some sort of

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why you were selected or what was their

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here with Nancy deter tray we'll be back

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in a second mrs. Jean and Chris you're

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in the para cast

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Torah Chris has been talking about his

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own personal experiences Nancy would you

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like to question Chris further about

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that

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oh yeah I mean I definitely I had a

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couple of thoughts that went through my

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head first I found absolutely

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fascinating was the fact that they were

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apparently two-dimensional and you know

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it's it's kind of interesting when you

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look at some of the your your I'm sure

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you're familiar with like the the

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flatlander different diagrams and things

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like that where if you show like a

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three-dimensional object as it goes

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passing through a 2-dimensional flatland

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world that if you hadn't say I don't

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know a sphere just as an example you

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pass it through that flat

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two-dimensional world well it would

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actually become sort of a shapeshifter

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within the two dimensions it would start

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out as the first part of the sphere hit

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it really tiny and then it would have

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your bigger bigger bigger and it almost

966
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there's something reminiscent in the way

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you described your encounter with those

968
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little beings that the fact that they

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were paper-thin but and appeared

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two-dimensional to me is just and it

971
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feels like they were somehow breaking

972
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through on a dimensional

973
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interdimensional level no well the only

974
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the only did that to avoid coming

975
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underneath the yard light so that I

976
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could get a really good look at him

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because I was stopped about 50 70 feet

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away and out in the middle of a large

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lawn waiting for them to come into the

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light so I could get a really good look

981
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at him and they just turned sideways and

982
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came through sideways and then as soon

983
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as they got through the light they

984
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turned around and appeared to have width

985
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and height it's interesting but that was

986
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just my first impression when you said

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that right my other impression about the

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language and I completely understand why

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you would be totally frustrated that

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they weren't answer

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the reason why I asked you were they the

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the little gray varieties it was because

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from people who I've spoken with and my

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research tends to show that those that

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the little gray ones are either not they

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don't talk at all or when they do it's

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in very short little commands and they

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don't answer questions which other

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people found extremely frustrating I

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know somebody who told me about her

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first abduction experience she was in

1002
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her bedroom and she was asleep she wakes

1003
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up and there are I guess some I don't

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know how many little greys in your room

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but one of them came over to her and she

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is a very very open accepting sort of

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New Age type person and she found

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herself you know like everybody else

1009
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totally paralyzed except for her eyes

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she couldn't speak I think she initially

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tried to speak but she was

1012
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telepathically trying to communicate and

1013
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she was saying you know oh hello you

1014
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know who are you and what are you doing

1015
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here in my bedroom and can we talk and

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you know I hope you're not gonna do

1017
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anything you know terrible but I just

1018
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want to know what what you're up to and

1019
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she said that the look that she got back

1020
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as this little gray approached her and

1021
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was standing right next to her was

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absolutely horrifying because it was

1023
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completely a emotional and was fully

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intent on doing exactly what it was

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going to do anyway and didn't answer any

1026
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of her questions which terrified her and

1027
00:45:15,260 --> 00:45:12,810
then you know she went for the she had

1028
00:45:17,450 --> 00:45:15,270
the whole abduction experience and it

1029
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that would then didn't end also by the

1030
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way and the rest of her family also

1031
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:23,010
experienced it so I think if you go back

1032
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a little bit there are and this is also

1033
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what I start out my my book with which

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is if you're gonna talk about well how

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to talk to mean an alien you got to

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figure out well how many aliens are

1037
00:45:39,020 --> 00:45:35,970
there how many different races and

1038
00:45:40,039 --> 00:45:39,030
species who are you really talking to

1039
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and

1040
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when you start to go backwards like that

1041
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and then you realize yeah it's kind of

1042
00:45:49,729 --> 00:45:47,939
that they're different just like you

1043
00:45:51,739 --> 00:45:49,739
know humans are different they're

1044
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probably more different however but you

1045
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have your seven or eight basic

1046
00:45:58,099 --> 00:45:56,579
categories but I have read and you know

1047
00:46:01,130 --> 00:45:58,109
estimates of their being anywhere

1048
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between four to you know fifty seven to

1049
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eighty two to three hundred and some

1050
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different races and species depending on

1051
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how all-inclusive you get but I don't

1052
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think any human being on earth has the

1053
00:46:18,559 --> 00:46:15,390
last answer on how many races or species

1054
00:46:21,469 --> 00:46:18,569
of aliens are either out there or are

1055
00:46:24,979 --> 00:46:21,479
visiting us so I wonder about here when

1056
00:46:27,769 --> 00:46:24,989
we talk about physical aliens capable of

1057
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:27,779
some kind of communication I think of

1058
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:30,089
the Star Trek Canon which of course is a

1059
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universal translator some mechanism a

1060
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computer that each member of the crew of

1061
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the enterprise wears that allows them to

1062
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communicate with other beings in known

1063
00:46:44,419 --> 00:46:42,049
languages so the question I have here is

1064
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wouldn't a highly advanced race of

1065
00:46:49,219 --> 00:46:47,489
extraterrestrials prepare for the

1066
00:46:51,289 --> 00:46:49,229
possibility or eventualities

1067
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of communicating with us and wouldn't

1068
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they already have a method if it's not

1069
00:46:57,979 --> 00:46:55,559
telepathy they have a way to translate

1070
00:46:58,729 --> 00:46:57,989
what we say yeah I mean we're almost

1071
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there

1072
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ourselves we're about Oh less than 50

1073
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years off and we already have Google

1074
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Translate all we gotta do is somehow

1075
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make it more of a bio mechanism but but

1076
00:47:15,199 --> 00:47:12,390
yeah and I think well first of all

1077
00:47:17,479 --> 00:47:15,209
depends on who you talk to because some

1078
00:47:19,549 --> 00:47:17,489
of these encounters with different races

1079
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:19,559
and species of aliens they talk about

1080
00:47:24,829 --> 00:47:22,650
them having exactly what you you talked

1081
00:47:27,829 --> 00:47:24,839
about with these little ones or little

1082
00:47:31,189 --> 00:47:27,839
sticks that seem to when they point them

1083
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seem to be able to put language into the

1084
00:47:36,499 --> 00:47:33,569
heads of people that's one thing Oracle

1085
00:47:38,140 --> 00:47:36,509
boxes or little spheres all different

1086
00:47:41,329 --> 00:47:38,150
types of what appear to be different

1087
00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:41,339
technologies well that sucks if that's

1088
00:47:45,739 --> 00:47:43,920
the case I mean only had to do is point

1089
00:47:47,059 --> 00:47:45,749
the darn thing yeah I mean and they

1090
00:47:49,429 --> 00:47:47,069
could have you know answered my

1091
00:47:51,969 --> 00:47:49,439
questions and stuff and you know I feel

1092
00:47:53,870 --> 00:47:51,979
a little dissed that they didn't feel

1093
00:47:57,020 --> 00:47:53,880
compelled to do that

1094
00:47:58,610 --> 00:47:57,030
that sucks well you know you're making

1095
00:48:01,520 --> 00:47:58,620
an assumption that's what their

1096
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:01,530
particular little ones could do I don't

1097
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:04,050
know that their ones were meant to do

1098
00:48:07,100 --> 00:48:05,760
that maybe they were meant to do I don't

1099
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:07,110
know paralyze you or do something

1100
00:48:11,630 --> 00:48:09,690
different I have no idea but if you got

1101
00:48:15,500 --> 00:48:11,640
a little wand if you got a big one you

1102
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:15,510
should be using it okay

1103
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:19,970
I also I have a friend and a colleague

1104
00:48:25,940 --> 00:48:23,850
who claims to be a time traveler and

1105
00:48:31,850 --> 00:48:25,950
having been placed in this particular

1106
00:48:33,530 --> 00:48:31,860
time at which is in his past and I won't

1107
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:33,540
get into all this you know his

1108
00:48:39,250 --> 00:48:35,280
background and all of that but he's a

1109
00:48:45,260 --> 00:48:39,260
very interesting person John Titor he

1110
00:48:47,720 --> 00:48:45,270
he's played several recordings of alien

1111
00:48:49,250 --> 00:48:47,730
conversations where they call him up on

1112
00:48:52,220 --> 00:48:49,260
the phone apparently they have some

1113
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:52,230
special system that cuts into our phone

1114
00:48:59,570 --> 00:48:56,610
system and these is this humans in the

1115
00:49:02,210 --> 00:48:59,580
future or aliens in the past he doesn't

1116
00:49:04,700 --> 00:49:02,220
know but his best guess is that they are

1117
00:49:07,130 --> 00:49:04,710
us in the future but he doesn't know and

1118
00:49:09,650 --> 00:49:07,140
by the way if we're all genetically

1119
00:49:11,810 --> 00:49:09,660
mixed up which it looks like we're gonna

1120
00:49:14,570 --> 00:49:11,820
be pretty soon anyway saying that the

1121
00:49:16,250 --> 00:49:14,580
Chinese have finally figured out exactly

1122
00:49:19,460 --> 00:49:16,260
how to clone a human being that was the

1123
00:49:22,580 --> 00:49:19,470
last few weeks where we're all gonna be

1124
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:22,590
genetically pretty much mixed which

1125
00:49:27,020 --> 00:49:24,330
would sort of explain why they wouldn't

1126
00:49:30,110 --> 00:49:27,030
look or sound like us in the future but

1127
00:49:32,570 --> 00:49:30,120
the point is you hear these phone calls

1128
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:32,580
they sound like you can't really tell

1129
00:49:38,420 --> 00:49:35,040
the gender something between a man and a

1130
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:38,430
woman maybe a middle-aged woman sort of

1131
00:49:44,270 --> 00:49:40,650
with a sounds like almost like a Chinese

1132
00:49:51,980 --> 00:49:44,280
type accent and speaking really fast Oh

1133
00:49:54,860 --> 00:49:51,990
like it sounds like the guy who used to

1134
00:49:59,150 --> 00:49:54,870
the Federal Express commercials talked

1135
00:50:05,120 --> 00:49:59,160
really fast how about the aliens in the

1136
00:50:07,050 --> 00:50:05,130
Mars Attacks it okay actually I think

1137
00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:07,060
there's another one

1138
00:50:13,350 --> 00:50:10,480
a story that I discovered out of Poland

1139
00:50:20,850 --> 00:50:13,360
where he said that they sounded sort of

1140
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:20,860
like alien beatbox

1141
00:50:28,500 --> 00:50:25,330
imitators yeah I really need to educate

1142
00:50:30,780 --> 00:50:28,510
myself on Klingon folks maybe you see

1143
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that's the secret Star Trek Klingon is

1144
00:50:35,790 --> 00:50:33,010
not a manufactured language what really

1145
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:35,800
happened is there are Klingons or

1146
00:50:40,830 --> 00:50:38,170
whatever they are and they simply took

1147
00:50:44,340 --> 00:50:40,840
their real language and adaptors that

1148
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makes no serenus what you say tell him

1149
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to stop circling Uranus and come visit I

1150
00:50:53,580 --> 00:50:51,370
think we're going down the tubes here

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very rapidly but there's one way to stop

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got a few show transcripts there more to

1159
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:17,410
come and Chris is in the final stages of

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editing our first video plus South

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America's calm the book is how to talk

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to an alien by Nancy do titre more to

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1221
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here's Jane Steinberg so I don't know

1222
00:54:18,180 --> 00:54:15,970
when we posted the message about Nancy's

1223
00:54:19,970 --> 00:54:18,190
appearance in the power cast I know some

1224
00:54:22,290 --> 00:54:19,980
people didn't take it too seriously and

1225
00:54:24,930 --> 00:54:22,300
maybe post some less than serious

1226
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:24,940
scenarios at some point in time if there

1227
00:54:29,940 --> 00:54:26,530
are aliens out there and they're sending

1228
00:54:33,090 --> 00:54:29,950
UFOs to us the best thing is to find a

1229
00:54:35,910 --> 00:54:33,100
way to talk to them if they want to be

1230
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:35,920
talked to it isn't part of it that to

1231
00:54:40,650 --> 00:54:38,050
Nancy maybe they'd have no interest in

1232
00:54:43,500 --> 00:54:40,660
holding a conversation or a lot don't I

1233
00:54:45,390 --> 00:54:43,510
mean people said you know why should

1234
00:54:48,270 --> 00:54:45,400
they be interested in talking to a pile

1235
00:54:50,220 --> 00:54:48,280
of ants you know and that's true and how

1236
00:54:52,260 --> 00:54:50,230
many people yeah we might spend some

1237
00:54:54,540 --> 00:54:52,270
time trying to understand your dog

1238
00:54:56,820 --> 00:54:54,550
actually you did tell your dogs to be

1239
00:54:58,830 --> 00:54:56,830
quiet and they apparently understood

1240
00:55:00,630 --> 00:54:58,840
that so humans spent a bit of time with

1241
00:55:02,700 --> 00:55:00,640
their dogs and their cats but other

1242
00:55:04,230 --> 00:55:02,710
animals no we don't spend really any

1243
00:55:06,690 --> 00:55:04,240
time trying to communicate with them

1244
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:06,700
because we figure it's pointless and

1245
00:55:13,410 --> 00:55:10,690
that may absolutely be true but there

1246
00:55:16,310 --> 00:55:13,420
are examples where they are trying to

1247
00:55:18,030 --> 00:55:16,320
communicate with us and they do this

1248
00:55:20,910 --> 00:55:18,040
telepathically and they do it through

1249
00:55:23,180 --> 00:55:20,920
audible speech both and they do it

1250
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:23,190
through other I mean there there are

1251
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:26,530
apparently aliens out there who make

1252
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:27,970
sounds that sounds sort of similar to

1253
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:30,130
animals such as there are several

1254
00:55:34,410 --> 00:55:31,930
reports that they sound like barking

1255
00:55:36,350 --> 00:55:34,420
dogs Charles Hall with the tall whites

1256
00:55:39,270 --> 00:55:36,360
out Nevada was describing them as

1257
00:55:43,230 --> 00:55:39,280
sounding sometimes like dogs barking and

1258
00:55:45,060 --> 00:55:43,240
sometimes like meadowlarks Birds they've

1259
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:45,070
also been described as a nomadic buzzing

1260
00:55:51,930 --> 00:55:48,850
bees so and I have spoken with people

1261
00:55:54,750 --> 00:55:51,940
who say that they've heard them and can

1262
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:54,760
replicate some of their channeling or

1263
00:56:00,510 --> 00:55:57,850
their their speeches or their through a

1264
00:56:03,060 --> 00:56:00,520
form of channeling and they make sounds

1265
00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:03,070
like I have never heard in my life they

1266
00:56:08,819 --> 00:56:04,240
sound like

1267
00:56:11,039 --> 00:56:08,829
guttural types of weird creepy clicking

1268
00:56:13,109 --> 00:56:11,049
is in the back of the throat first time

1269
00:56:14,910 --> 00:56:13,119
I heard that from one of the first

1270
00:56:17,670 --> 00:56:14,920
Chandler's I spoke to about that I

1271
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:17,680
thought well that's really peculiar she

1272
00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:20,170
woke up from a dream where she had been

1273
00:56:25,499 --> 00:56:24,160
begging these reptilian type aliens to

1274
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:25,509
teach her how to speak and they said no

1275
00:56:28,140 --> 00:56:26,650
you're not gonna under you're not gonna

1276
00:56:30,390 --> 00:56:28,150
be able to do it you can't understand it

1277
00:56:33,390 --> 00:56:30,400
I think one of them said okay she wakes

1278
00:56:35,849 --> 00:56:33,400
up from her dream and this that sort of

1279
00:56:39,930 --> 00:56:35,859
Twilight Zone but between wake and sleep

1280
00:56:43,410 --> 00:56:39,940
she grabs her iPhone to record and she

1281
00:56:46,410 --> 00:56:43,420
starts recording their language and it

1282
00:56:49,019 --> 00:56:46,420
sounds weird and creepy as I said I said

1283
00:56:51,959 --> 00:56:49,029
to myself I would never hear that thing

1284
00:56:54,269 --> 00:56:51,969
or that language again sure and if

1285
00:56:56,699 --> 00:56:54,279
somebody comes up to me at some point

1286
00:56:59,789 --> 00:56:56,709
later I actually think was somebody

1287
00:57:03,719 --> 00:56:59,799
interviewing me and this person starts

1288
00:57:06,180 --> 00:57:03,729
doing it it was the exact same thing she

1289
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:06,190
hadn't heard what I had heard so there

1290
00:57:11,699 --> 00:57:08,890
are correlations and might my point in

1291
00:57:14,219 --> 00:57:11,709
putting together this book how to talk

1292
00:57:17,519 --> 00:57:14,229
to an alien is that instead of focusing

1293
00:57:19,529 --> 00:57:17,529
on each individual case and trying to

1294
00:57:22,759 --> 00:57:19,539
judge whether they're out of their minds

1295
00:57:26,339 --> 00:57:22,769
or not in making these you know alien

1296
00:57:27,870 --> 00:57:26,349
language sounds noises writing channeled

1297
00:57:30,209 --> 00:57:27,880
alphabets whatever it is they're doing

1298
00:57:32,989 --> 00:57:30,219
instead of judging them you cross

1299
00:57:35,489 --> 00:57:32,999
compare and you cross compare actual

1300
00:57:37,979 --> 00:57:35,499
artifacts if you can find them you

1301
00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:37,989
compare memories of abductees and

1302
00:57:42,420 --> 00:57:40,089
contactees and then and you compare

1303
00:57:44,910 --> 00:57:42,430
these channels you know automatic

1304
00:57:45,630 --> 00:57:44,920
writing trance state recordings and

1305
00:57:49,199 --> 00:57:45,640
things like that

1306
00:57:51,509 --> 00:57:49,209
and once you do that as I've shown there

1307
00:57:55,019 --> 00:57:51,519
are some very fascinating cross

1308
00:57:58,380 --> 00:57:55,029
correlations which suggest a form of

1309
00:57:59,729 --> 00:57:58,390
consensus reality for all of us let's go

1310
00:58:00,599 --> 00:57:59,739
into that right now it sounds

1311
00:58:02,759 --> 00:58:00,609
fascinating

1312
00:58:05,039 --> 00:58:02,769
oh by the way I did look it up the

1313
00:58:08,819 --> 00:58:05,049
average K'naan is capable of

1314
00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:08,829
understanding 165 words according to

1315
00:58:13,769 --> 00:58:11,440
some expert on this and dogs can be

1316
00:58:16,259 --> 00:58:13,779
trained to understand more so we had

1317
00:58:17,489 --> 00:58:16,269
this outburst of dog action in our

1318
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:17,499
neighborhood here we have a neighbor

1319
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:19,330
with five or six dogs

1320
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:21,610
and they were really going to town I

1321
00:58:26,310 --> 00:58:24,370
went outside and said shut up three or

1322
00:58:28,740 --> 00:58:26,320
four times at the top of my lungs after

1323
00:58:28,980 --> 00:58:28,750
about thirty seconds that's what they

1324
00:58:32,100 --> 00:58:28,990
did

1325
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:32,110
well there you know hey a new technique

1326
00:58:36,660 --> 00:58:33,970
I can't say that with teddy bear our own

1327
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:36,670
dog he doesn't care he nothing scares

1328
00:58:40,710 --> 00:58:38,770
him he's a little tiny Bichon or

1329
00:58:41,970 --> 00:58:40,720
actually an overgrown be shot nothing

1330
00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:41,980
scares him okay

1331
00:58:47,390 --> 00:58:45,040
the consensus reality Nancy what are we

1332
00:58:50,490 --> 00:58:47,400
learning from this consensus reality of

1333
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:50,500
communication well the the thing that

1334
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:53,170
everybody always wants to know which is

1335
00:58:57,060 --> 00:58:54,970
they want to go straight to the good

1336
00:58:58,740 --> 00:58:57,070
stuff all right which is with the

1337
00:59:00,990 --> 00:58:58,750
messages what are they telling us what

1338
00:59:03,990 --> 00:59:01,000
are they telling us how come you know my

1339
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:04,000
whole point here is just back up a

1340
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:06,850
little bit slow it down examine how

1341
00:59:10,410 --> 00:59:08,530
they're communicating so that you could

1342
00:59:13,470 --> 00:59:10,420
figure out what it is they're actually

1343
00:59:15,090 --> 00:59:13,480
saying you know so there are messages

1344
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:15,100
that come through because many of them

1345
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:18,400
do speak English for us English speakers

1346
00:59:23,820 --> 00:59:21,730
they also they seem to speak many many

1347
00:59:26,580 --> 00:59:23,830
different human languages including as I

1348
00:59:28,650 --> 00:59:26,590
mentioned in the book one of them was

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speaking the Finnish language which is

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00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:31,330
only spoken by five million people in

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00:59:35,910 --> 00:59:33,970
the world and is one of the most

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00:59:38,370 --> 00:59:35,920
difficult indo-european languages out

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00:59:40,650 --> 00:59:38,380
there why they decided to learn that

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00:59:42,030 --> 00:59:40,660
language I don't know and by the way

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00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:42,040
some of them apparently do have the

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00:59:47,790 --> 00:59:45,490
technologies they they take little knobs

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00:59:50,010 --> 00:59:47,800
on their their helmets or their headgear

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00:59:52,110 --> 00:59:50,020
whatever and they just switched them and

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00:59:54,330 --> 00:59:52,120
they turn them apparently to different

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00:59:57,750 --> 00:59:54,340
languages what I didn't finish saying

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01:00:00,600 --> 00:59:57,760
before was that in the case of this time

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01:00:03,180 --> 01:00:00,610
traveller he's told me numerous times

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01:00:04,950 --> 01:00:03,190
that calls he's getting they tell him

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01:00:07,950 --> 01:00:04,960
they are calling from their language

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01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:07,960
ship which apparently is an enormous

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01:00:13,860 --> 01:00:11,650
ship which is located just outside the

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01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:13,870
Earth's atmosphere according to him we

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01:00:20,070 --> 01:00:16,650
don't see it or experience it within our

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01:00:21,630 --> 01:00:20,080
normal consensus reality because they

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01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:21,640
can maneuver through different time

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01:00:27,060 --> 01:00:24,970
zones which means it's not there for all

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01:00:28,740 --> 01:00:27,070
intensive purposes and so you believe

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01:00:31,609 --> 01:00:28,750
this guy did he like give you a Super

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01:00:34,910 --> 01:00:31,619
Bowl winner of 2020 or

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01:00:38,029 --> 01:00:34,920
is there any way to really judge the

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01:00:41,630 --> 01:00:38,039
veracity of his of his rather fantastic

1377
01:00:43,039 --> 01:00:41,640
sounding tale yeah I don't know you know

1378
01:00:45,259 --> 01:00:43,049
you don't often meet somebody that says

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01:00:48,259 --> 01:00:45,269
I'm a time traveler that's right and he

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01:00:51,319 --> 01:00:48,269
doesn't tell I mean most people who tell

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01:00:53,150 --> 01:00:51,329
me these things will tell me I am either

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01:00:55,609 --> 01:00:53,160
the first person they've ever told in

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01:00:57,109 --> 01:00:55,619
their lives because they just figured

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01:00:59,569 --> 01:00:57,119
everyone would take him for an idiot or

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01:01:00,979 --> 01:00:59,579
fool or crazy person or they're too

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01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:00,989
scared I mean I'll give you an example

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01:01:06,469 --> 01:01:04,410
about this everybody everybody I learned

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01:01:08,239 --> 01:01:06,479
this in the psychic world nobody will

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01:01:10,459 --> 01:01:08,249
talk about it until you give them the

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01:01:12,410 --> 01:01:10,469
opening because they're terrified same

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01:01:15,650 --> 01:01:12,420
thing goes in the UFO field I had a guy

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01:01:17,239 --> 01:01:15,660
over here measuring the windows okay I

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01:01:20,449 --> 01:01:17,249
wanted to put up some new curtains I

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don't know this guy from Adam and I

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01:01:26,089 --> 01:01:23,099
don't know why and I say to him have you

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01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:26,099
ever seen a UFO and he almost fell over

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01:01:32,779 --> 01:01:31,170
backwards and he said well the only

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person I've ever told this ever in my

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life was I think you know it was his

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parents he never never told his wife he

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never told anybody but yeah he had

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01:01:44,479 --> 01:01:42,869
missing time he showed up he was dropped

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01:01:48,289 --> 01:01:44,489
off at a completely different location

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01:01:51,019 --> 01:01:48,299
he was terrified there are people like

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01:01:53,630 --> 01:01:51,029
that everywhere so you know by the way

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01:01:55,339 --> 01:01:53,640
I'm trained and certified in intuitive

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Gestalt psychotherapy I've done that for

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more than 20 years so what is that what

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01:02:05,089 --> 01:02:01,949
does that mean it's a new form of

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Gestalt psychotherapy okay it's been

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01:02:11,620 --> 01:02:08,009
developed by dr. Ron D'Angelo in New

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York and I have trained with him and

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within group settings where you set up

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dyads of client therapist relations how

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would you call it their settings okay

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and you practice and this is what I have

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done for decades I it's an absolutely

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fascinating type of psychotherapy I'm

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not a psychotherapist but as I said this

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is something that I'm certified in I've

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done it for many many many years so at a

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certain point particularly when you're

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getting into the psyche

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paranormal UFO fields you're dealing

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with potentially you're dealing with

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crazy seeming subject matter and

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potentially crazy people and I have run

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across both or all and you need to

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really know yourself you need to be able

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to understand human nature you need to

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be able to discern things spiritually as

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well as emotionally and and the last

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thing you need to be able to do is keep

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yourself open enough to listen to what

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people have to say don't prejudge

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anything and that's what I'm in my book

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how to talk to an alien what I'm saying

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is don't don't throw the baby out with

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the bathwater let's do our break here

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and get back with Nancy doTERRA how to

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talk to an alien I wonder sometimes how

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to talk to Chris O'Brien as he wonders

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how to talk to me with gene and Chris

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para cast comm we haven't succeeded yet

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we can barely talk to one another Nancy

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01:08:19,730 --> 01:08:17,609
doterra so you wonder about talking with

1544
01:08:21,260 --> 01:08:19,740
an alien well I'm having no problem

1545
01:08:24,410 --> 01:08:21,270
talking to you that is when we're not

1546
01:08:27,140 --> 01:08:24,420
being technologically cut off and

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interrupted we had one of those Skype

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01:08:34,849 --> 01:08:28,400
things

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01:08:36,349 --> 01:08:34,859
the communication ends and for a period

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01:08:38,510 --> 01:08:36,359
of time and you didn't hear this folks

1551
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:38,520
for a period of time in an earlier

1552
01:08:45,650 --> 01:08:42,530
segment I was talking perfectly normal

1553
01:08:47,450 --> 01:08:45,660
but they couldn't talk back to me in a

1554
01:08:50,900 --> 01:08:47,460
way I could hear because Skype decided

1555
01:08:53,420 --> 01:08:50,910
to make it a one-way conversation so

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01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:53,430
what can I tell you well I think this is

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01:08:58,400 --> 01:08:54,330
what I've learned

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01:09:00,700 --> 01:08:58,410
okay in becoming a psychic medium and as

1559
01:09:05,290 --> 01:09:00,710
I said earlier I'm just a really logical

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01:09:07,250 --> 01:09:05,300
person and coincidences are just

1561
01:09:08,030 --> 01:09:07,260
coincidences right like what you said

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01:09:10,190 --> 01:09:08,040
well sky

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01:09:14,329 --> 01:09:10,200
just cut off wellyes stuff like that

1564
01:09:17,390 --> 01:09:14,339
stuff happens but when you go into the

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psychic world you have to one of the

1566
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:21,299
ways you gather more information is by

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01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:24,890
paying attention to these seemingly

1568
01:09:29,599 --> 01:09:27,690
unrelated or random coincidences that we

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01:09:32,270 --> 01:09:29,609
all call synchronicities which are

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01:09:34,250 --> 01:09:32,280
meaningful coincidences you look to see

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01:09:37,099 --> 01:09:34,260
what happened when and by the way if you

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study politics or what's happening the

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political arena once you start looking

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at the timing of things when things

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happen what things are said at what

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01:09:50,180 --> 01:09:47,339
point and what things are not said and

1577
01:09:52,309 --> 01:09:50,190
you look at events suddenly the world

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01:09:54,110 --> 01:09:52,319
looks extremely different and I'm

1579
01:09:57,710 --> 01:09:54,120
suggesting that we do the same thing

1580
01:10:00,590 --> 01:09:57,720
with you know lesser things in our lives

1581
01:10:02,990 --> 01:10:00,600
such as Skype cutting off at a very

1582
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:03,000
interesting point in the discussion

1583
01:10:09,020 --> 01:10:06,810
I too have you know I I did virtually

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all my interviews when I had my CBS

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radio show at least cold cases I usually

1586
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did it on skype yeah I know Skype has

1587
01:10:20,090 --> 01:10:16,710
little glitches and bumps and things

1588
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:20,100
that happen I also know that there were

1589
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:23,570
only one or two occasions where Skype

1590
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completely went nuts and cut off either

1591
01:10:33,110 --> 01:10:30,750
me or my guests at a very very key

1592
01:10:34,430 --> 01:10:33,120
moment in a conversation I give you

1593
01:10:36,470 --> 01:10:34,440
another example because you'll

1594
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:36,480
appreciate this one I don't think I

1595
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:38,010
mentioned to you that I too have been

1596
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:40,650
the recipient of what I can only assume

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are phone calls from some type of alien

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I can't imagine what the heck else they

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would be it started after my daughter

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and I had the sighting of this

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football-field-sized UFO not far from

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our home she started to have these

1603
01:11:04,190 --> 01:11:02,040
interruptions as did I and usually would

1604
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happen conversations between the two of

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us but later on it was happening with

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some of her friends and with a few of

1607
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mine a very cold electronic sounding

1608
01:11:17,030 --> 01:11:14,910
male voice would interrupt we wouldn't

1609
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be able to hear each other we could only

1610
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but both of us could hear whatever this

1611
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voice was it was not a third party cross

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connection

1613
01:11:26,450 --> 01:11:24,630
it wasn't some weird glitch you just you

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know it when you hear it like you know

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obscenity Supreme Court you just know

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that it's something highly unusual and

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at one point this voice said my

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01:11:38,450 --> 01:11:36,960
daughter's name but sound like was

1619
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coming through a field of sound wave

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01:11:43,459 --> 01:11:40,140
Distortion very very difficult to

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01:11:46,550 --> 01:11:43,469
understand it would then stop it would

1622
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:46,560
hang up both of us and neither one of us

1623
01:11:50,510 --> 01:11:48,170
would be able to get back to each other

1624
01:11:53,450 --> 01:11:50,520
on any of the lines for about five or

1625
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:53,460
ten minutes and it didn't matter what

1626
01:11:57,140 --> 01:11:55,410
combination of landlines or cell phones

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01:12:01,459 --> 01:11:57,150
we were using it just happened that way

1628
01:12:03,890 --> 01:12:01,469
so I and then this to go back to your

1629
01:12:06,860 --> 01:12:03,900
point I was doing reading for a

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well-known psychologist I didn't know

1631
01:12:09,530 --> 01:12:08,340
really anything about her I knew one

1632
01:12:12,350 --> 01:12:09,540
story that was it

1633
01:12:14,780 --> 01:12:12,360
I finished my reading and all I knew in

1634
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:14,790
this story was that she had once been

1635
01:12:22,310 --> 01:12:20,010
driving and saw a face appear was huge

1636
01:12:24,590 --> 01:12:22,320
parently on her windshield she freaks

1637
01:12:26,750 --> 01:12:24,600
out she pulls the car over because she's

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01:12:29,419 --> 01:12:26,760
on this Highway in Long Island and stops

1639
01:12:31,610 --> 01:12:29,429
and eventually disappears she tells me

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01:12:34,550 --> 01:12:31,620
that years later she had gone down to

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01:12:37,490 --> 01:12:34,560
South America seen a shaman and realized

1642
01:12:40,459 --> 01:12:37,500
that was the shamans face and I thought

1643
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:40,469
that was a nice story but I was and I

1644
01:12:44,209 --> 01:12:42,690
had never discussed UFOs or aliens or

1645
01:12:48,530 --> 01:12:44,219
anything like that with her I said I was

1646
01:12:50,689 --> 01:12:48,540
about to say did you ever consider that

1647
01:12:53,630 --> 01:12:50,699
that face might have been an alien and

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01:12:56,090 --> 01:12:53,640
as that sentence is coming out of my

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01:12:56,810 --> 01:12:56,100
mouth all hell breaks loose on the

1650
01:13:00,680 --> 01:12:56,820
telephone

1651
01:13:03,530 --> 01:13:00,690
this same electronic voice plus weird

1652
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:03,540
crazy noises that I'm usually excellent

1653
01:13:09,919 --> 01:13:05,730
ascribing couldn't begin to describe

1654
01:13:13,060 --> 01:13:09,929
they were clanging semi-metallic they

1655
01:13:15,860 --> 01:13:13,070
were huge there were also things like

1656
01:13:17,930 --> 01:13:15,870
celestial sounding tubular bells and

1657
01:13:20,810 --> 01:13:17,940
beautiful things that I can't begin to

1658
01:13:24,050 --> 01:13:20,820
describe and it did this for a while and

1659
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:24,060
then it and neither one of us could hear

1660
01:13:28,220 --> 01:13:25,770
each other speaking but we could both

1661
01:13:29,810 --> 01:13:28,230
hear it it hangs up both of us neither

1662
01:13:33,169 --> 01:13:29,820
one of us can get back to each other so

1663
01:13:34,350 --> 01:13:33,179
she sends me an email she says what the

1664
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:34,360
hell was that

1665
01:13:38,310 --> 01:13:36,489
whatever that was that was definitely

1666
01:13:40,770 --> 01:13:38,320
not of this earth so she knew

1667
01:13:42,689 --> 01:13:40,780
immediately it was not of this earth it

1668
01:13:44,430 --> 01:13:42,699
clearly wasn't I knew it because I'd

1669
01:13:47,250 --> 01:13:44,440
heard these things before what's

1670
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:47,260
interesting is that it interrupted my

1671
01:13:52,260 --> 01:13:49,449
thought before my thought was able to

1672
01:13:54,270 --> 01:13:52,270
come out in the form of speech and so

1673
01:13:58,290 --> 01:13:54,280
when you think about Skype interrupting

1674
01:14:01,560 --> 01:13:58,300
us at a certain point if you look at it

1675
01:14:03,780 --> 01:14:01,570
and just humor it give it the idea well

1676
01:14:05,340 --> 01:14:03,790
maybe there was a meaning there what was

1677
01:14:07,109 --> 01:14:05,350
the meaning ask yourself the question

1678
01:14:10,590 --> 01:14:07,119
you may come up with a whole new

1679
01:14:13,290 --> 01:14:10,600
perspective on your reality I've never

1680
01:14:15,750 --> 01:14:13,300
had Skype do that to me it sure made

1681
01:14:18,180 --> 01:14:15,760
life miserable a few a few times but you

1682
01:14:20,100 --> 01:14:18,190
know you have to kind of obviously

1683
01:14:23,790 --> 01:14:20,110
assume a mundane explanation before

1684
01:14:24,870 --> 01:14:23,800
jumping off planet and and and going all

1685
01:14:27,540 --> 01:14:24,880
extraordinary with it

1686
01:14:32,070 --> 01:14:27,550
I would think I mean you know did you

1687
01:14:35,609 --> 01:14:32,080
factor out any other possible you know

1688
01:14:39,649 --> 01:14:35,619
acoustic causes did you contact Skype to

1689
01:14:41,910 --> 01:14:39,659
jest them if this is common or the the

1690
01:14:42,540 --> 01:14:41,920
what I'm talking about was on the

1691
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:42,550
telephone

1692
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oh it was a phone thing oh okay well

1693
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that's swell of course I mean I was kind

1694
01:14:53,070 --> 01:14:50,199
of like shades of Philip dick and and

1695
01:14:55,290 --> 01:14:53,080
who was a Jack Sarfati and there was a

1696
01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:55,300
group in the early 50s that claimed when

1697
01:14:59,459 --> 01:14:56,770
they were kids they had these phone

1698
01:15:02,669 --> 01:14:59,469
calls from some sort of alien presence

1699
01:15:04,890 --> 01:15:02,679
and there's a number of them that are

1700
01:15:08,310 --> 01:15:04,900
fairly famous Sarfati and dick being the

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most famous yeah that's it's not a

1702
01:15:14,879 --> 01:15:10,600
common thing but but it is you can't

1703
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:14,889
find similar types of descriptions in

1704
01:15:20,070 --> 01:15:17,250
the the literature of course John keel

1705
01:15:23,970 --> 01:15:20,080
claimed he had some pretty unusual phone

1706
01:15:27,750 --> 01:15:23,980
conversations in the 60s while you know

1707
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:27,760
investigating the Mothman wave you know

1708
01:15:32,550 --> 01:15:30,250
in Point Pleasant so this is kind of a

1709
01:15:33,990 --> 01:15:32,560
common if you look at it it's more

1710
01:15:35,459 --> 01:15:34,000
common than you would think that there's

1711
01:15:38,459 --> 01:15:35,469
there's quite a bit of this saw there's

1712
01:15:42,359 --> 01:15:38,469
those CB radios shortwave radios have

1713
01:15:44,700 --> 01:15:42,369
also been commanded taken over during

1714
01:15:47,729 --> 01:15:44,710
sighting events that sort of thing but

1715
01:15:49,500 --> 01:15:47,739
you know it sounds like you you

1716
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you are pretty accepting of these things

1717
01:15:56,490 --> 01:15:51,340
at face value and you do seem to have

1718
01:15:58,950 --> 01:15:56,500
this intuitive side that jumps towards

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the highest range pretty quickly and I'm

1720
01:16:02,670 --> 01:16:01,540
just wondering you know whether you

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should be a little bit maybe more

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skeptical about some of these things and

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really exhaust all efforts to debunk

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yourself and debunk your own experience

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that's something that you know has kind

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of been a thing that I I attempt to do

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through my years of investigative work I

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always assume a mundane explanation and

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then allow the facts to prove me wrong

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you know yours say we should back into

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this stuff I think that's a good way to

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do it we have to back out for a second

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reality Chris do we have some questions

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from the audience that maybe you want to

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drop in here before we progress I'm sure

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there's a number of them I had to close

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Safari because it was doing some weird

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stuff but I think we're I think we're

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back on it here et is trying to tell us

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not to do this we have a question here

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but it's four lines of binary code I

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think maybe that was a suggestion that

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comes from Wade

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of course Wade is known for his funny

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posts now just to be parenthetical about

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this when I saw that I responded and

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Klingon oh okay okay that's that

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prompted it he's wondering on your

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religious background your training and

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current views of practices you know

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raised protestant-catholic good

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what what what were you raised as a kid

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terms of your religion I got raised

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Protestant certain fun England

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Protestant called Congregationalist okay

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do factor any sort of religious belief

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or religious instruction growing up do

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you equate any of that into your work or

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is this you compartmentalize or you know

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it's like scientists going to church and

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advocating on the you know the

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suspending all their disbelief and

1882
01:22:52,270 --> 01:22:50,540
worshipping an invisible God with a big

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01:22:54,819 --> 01:22:52,280
you know white beard sitting on a throne

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01:22:57,020 --> 01:22:54,829
up in the sky yet these guys are like

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01:22:59,750 --> 01:22:57,030
you know super rational

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01:23:02,660 --> 01:22:59,760
are you like that or do you do you feel

1887
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that there's some sort of divine almost

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01:23:07,310 --> 01:23:04,679
religious or spiritual aspect to your

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work you guys are adorable

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no I got forced to go to Sunday school

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as a kid I really wanted to believe in

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God and I thought that would be terrific

1893
01:23:20,270 --> 01:23:18,269
if I could because that would believing

1894
01:23:23,629 --> 01:23:20,280
God would come with a lot of great you

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01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:23,639
know potential benefits so I tried

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01:23:28,699 --> 01:23:25,530
really hard but it just wasn't really

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01:23:32,390 --> 01:23:28,709
working on a real level and I would say

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01:23:37,100 --> 01:23:32,400
that I didn't really become a believer

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01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:37,110
in all things spiritual until I started

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01:23:43,850 --> 01:23:39,090
to explore the psychic paranormal worlds

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01:23:47,390 --> 01:23:43,860
and then it became real and then I that

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01:23:50,449 --> 01:23:47,400
sort of made me want to explore more

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01:23:52,609 --> 01:23:50,459
because it was fascinating well but no

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01:23:54,649 --> 01:23:52,619
it doesn't doesn't govern what I believe

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01:23:57,739 --> 01:23:54,659
I mean I'm just out there trying to get

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01:24:01,910 --> 01:23:57,749
information you know and and by the way

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01:24:04,430 --> 01:24:01,920
of course I go through you guys you're

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01:24:07,009 --> 01:24:04,440
talking about like you know trying to be

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01:24:11,299 --> 01:24:07,019
adherents of you know Occam's razor and

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01:24:13,759 --> 01:24:11,309
all that of course you just because I

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01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:13,769
have a limited amount of time to talk to

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01:24:19,969 --> 01:24:18,090
you on this radio show with certain

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01:24:22,149 --> 01:24:19,979
constraints doesn't you know I don't

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01:24:24,979 --> 01:24:22,159
have time to tell you about all of my

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01:24:28,279 --> 01:24:24,989
decades of trying to work stuff out or

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01:24:30,739 --> 01:24:28,289
discounting other logical things which

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01:24:32,959 --> 01:24:30,749
led me to what I'm doing I'm just

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01:24:35,180 --> 01:24:32,969
telling you exactly where I am today

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01:24:37,009 --> 01:24:35,190
yeah yeah we're getting tip of the

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iceberg I understand there that's why I

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01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:39,570
write books too because uh I do have I

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01:24:43,549 --> 01:24:41,489
think a lot of information to share with

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01:24:45,379 --> 01:24:43,559
people and some opinions and that sort

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01:24:47,209 --> 01:24:45,389
of thing but I think William Stratton

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01:24:49,370 --> 01:24:47,219
was the one that asked the question I

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01:24:51,350 --> 01:24:49,380
think basically what he's playing out he

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01:24:53,689 --> 01:24:51,360
says in your books conclusion you relate

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01:24:55,069 --> 01:24:53,699
the biblical Tower of Babel in episode

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and the subsequent scattering of

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humanity with all kinds of languages and

1931
01:25:00,919 --> 01:24:59,010
following that you speak of the Greek

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world and how those rules until

1933
01:25:04,850 --> 01:25:03,209
mischievious Hermes the trickster played

1934
01:25:06,859 --> 01:25:04,860
the ultimate trick on the human race he

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01:25:09,199 --> 01:25:06,869
brought diversity and speech to humans

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01:25:10,460 --> 01:25:09,209
and so he's wondering if you know how do

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01:25:12,350 --> 01:25:10,470
you relate to the

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01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:12,360
another ancient texts and traditions and

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01:25:17,060 --> 01:25:14,130
and how do you relate them to these

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01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:17,070
modern phenomenal events you know we

1941
01:25:21,650 --> 01:25:18,650
were talking before about what are the

1942
01:25:24,230 --> 01:25:21,660
messages that are being delivered right

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01:25:27,550 --> 01:25:24,240
Lien's and I sort of I backed off of

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01:25:30,020 --> 01:25:27,560
that but the real the overriding message

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01:25:31,790 --> 01:25:30,030
okay that you hear over and over and

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01:25:33,170 --> 01:25:31,800
over again it doesn't matter then these

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01:25:34,550 --> 01:25:33,180
are people who had their contact

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01:25:37,370 --> 01:25:34,560
experiences where they've been able to

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01:25:40,700 --> 01:25:37,380
get answers or they've been told things

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01:25:45,290 --> 01:25:40,710
rather than being answered things you

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01:25:49,010 --> 01:25:45,300
know or trance channeling of speech or

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01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:49,020
whatever the overriding thing is that we

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01:25:57,830 --> 01:25:54,090
are all interconnected them us the

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01:26:01,910 --> 01:25:57,840
planet inanimate stuff everything is

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01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:01,920
interconnected and that everything has

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01:26:08,510 --> 01:26:05,730
some form of living consciousness it may

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01:26:10,250 --> 01:26:08,520
not be like what we experienced but

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01:26:14,470 --> 01:26:10,260
there's a consciousness and that gets

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01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:14,480
you into a whole discussion but if you

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01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:17,210
begin to understand and accept the

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01:26:22,310 --> 01:26:19,770
interrelated aspect of everything you

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01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:22,320
lose fear and you also assume more

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01:26:30,460 --> 01:26:26,690
responsibility for your fellow molecules

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01:26:32,270 --> 01:26:30,470
you know per year for this web of

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01:26:36,710 --> 01:26:32,280
consciousness that we're all wrapped

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01:26:39,350 --> 01:26:36,720
into and so what I was what I was saying

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01:26:42,770 --> 01:26:39,360
at the end of my book how to talk to an

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01:26:47,090 --> 01:26:42,780
alien it was not a you know I wasn't

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01:26:51,340 --> 01:26:47,100
giving some religious lesson at all I

1970
01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:51,350
was just saying look back on various

1971
01:26:57,920 --> 01:26:53,970
statements and beliefs that have been

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01:27:01,150 --> 01:26:57,930
made over the millennia with with the

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01:27:04,010 --> 01:27:01,160
human race and you start to see the

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01:27:08,210 --> 01:27:04,020
fracturing of something that was

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01:27:12,050 --> 01:27:08,220
believed once to be whole and let's look

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01:27:15,410 --> 01:27:12,060
at language in the same way well you

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01:27:19,160 --> 01:27:15,420
know contact is is a is obviously a very

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01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:19,170
touchy subject with your will highly

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01:27:23,030 --> 01:27:21,570
skeptical types just scoffing and and

1980
01:27:23,819 --> 01:27:23,040
saying that's all delusion or whatever

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01:27:26,339 --> 01:27:23,829
but

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01:27:29,279 --> 01:27:26,349
it sounds like you have been in contact

1983
01:27:31,169 --> 01:27:29,289
with something and Williams ratha McGann

1984
01:27:33,599 --> 01:27:31,179
wonders if you've developed protocols to

1985
01:27:35,699 --> 01:27:33,609
determine who's who when you're in

1986
01:27:39,270 --> 01:27:35,709
telepathic contact with such beings I

1987
01:27:41,270 --> 01:27:39,280
mean are you able to differentiate are

1988
01:27:44,549 --> 01:27:41,280
we talking about multiple groups here

1989
01:27:49,829 --> 01:27:44,559
how many you mentioned all the way up to

1990
01:27:52,619 --> 01:27:49,839
I think 82 or the Clifford stone 57 you

1991
01:27:55,709 --> 01:27:52,629
know you have you're pretty

1992
01:27:58,889 --> 01:27:55,719
I don't know sci-fi sounding scenarios

1993
01:28:01,139 --> 01:27:58,899
with the Valyrians and the the plate

1994
01:28:03,179 --> 01:28:01,149
Ian's and these various races that are

1995
01:28:05,429 --> 01:28:03,189
supposedly coming here but have you

1996
01:28:07,109 --> 01:28:05,439
developed protocols to differentiate

1997
01:28:10,379 --> 01:28:07,119
who's who or do you even need to do they

1998
01:28:14,489 --> 01:28:10,389
tell you who it is you know I can only

1999
01:28:16,799 --> 01:28:14,499
tell you that if I well the types of

2000
01:28:21,750 --> 01:28:16,809
contact that I've had I don't know who

2001
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:21,760
the heck they are you know and and I

2002
01:28:26,750 --> 01:28:23,530
don't know that I would particularly

2003
01:28:29,849 --> 01:28:26,760
recognize that's why I mean I don't have

2004
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:29,859
that there's no system here yet okay

2005
01:28:36,509 --> 01:28:33,010
it's not like you have your you know see

2006
01:28:38,069 --> 01:28:36,519
study protocols you know that you can

2007
01:28:39,599 --> 01:28:38,079
set up and say well I'm gonna go sit in

2008
01:28:41,609 --> 01:28:39,609
the desert now I'm gonna you know place

2009
01:28:44,159 --> 01:28:41,619
music meditating flash some lights and

2010
01:28:45,959 --> 01:28:44,169
see if I get a response from a UFO you

2011
01:28:47,849 --> 01:28:45,969
know through a whole little protocol of

2012
01:28:53,489 --> 01:28:47,859
step one two three four five it's you

2013
01:28:57,589 --> 01:28:53,499
know I don't have that what I have is an

2014
01:29:01,770 --> 01:28:57,599
ability more and more through my psychic

2015
01:29:04,529 --> 01:29:01,780
development to recognize different

2016
01:29:06,719 --> 01:29:04,539
signatures of energies because

2017
01:29:10,709 --> 01:29:06,729
ultimately we're really talking about

2018
01:29:12,929 --> 01:29:10,719
energy and you can and that's where the

2019
01:29:14,909 --> 01:29:12,939
ability to discern becomes really

2020
01:29:21,810 --> 01:29:14,919
important and there's nothing scientific

2021
01:29:24,509 --> 01:29:21,820
about discerning you just know it yeah

2022
01:29:27,329 --> 01:29:24,519
it's like a gut a gut feeling intuition

2023
01:29:29,849 --> 01:29:27,339
yeah so some people would call it a BS

2024
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:29,859
meter uh you know for certain situations

2025
01:29:36,689 --> 01:29:33,010
oh I have a great BS meter it really

2026
01:29:37,470 --> 01:29:36,699
works well for me I so and and you know

2027
01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:37,480
it's an important

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01:29:41,570 --> 01:29:39,250
boy that's some I had one of the main

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tools in the old toolkit I would hope

2030
01:29:46,850 --> 01:29:44,739
absolutely and and by the way I mean I I

2031
01:29:48,900 --> 01:29:46,860
have to tell you that it for a long time

2032
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:48,910
listening to people say well you know

2033
01:29:54,630 --> 01:29:52,930
and I'm a you know Pleiadian or I'm

2034
01:29:57,300 --> 01:29:54,640
speaking with you know so-and-so from

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01:30:00,120 --> 01:29:57,310
such-and-such to completely obscure and

2036
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:00,130
in my mind not a non-existent

2037
01:30:04,710 --> 01:30:01,930
you know planet or store or whatever

2038
01:30:07,140 --> 01:30:04,720
that kind of bugged me because I thought

2039
01:30:09,300 --> 01:30:07,150
well you know we've all got really great

2040
01:30:13,050 --> 01:30:09,310
imaginations or at least a lot of us do

2041
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:13,060
I do but it's not like you know I don't

2042
01:30:21,690 --> 01:30:18,730
let it become the overriding driving

2043
01:30:23,700 --> 01:30:21,700
force of my reality what we have a

2044
01:30:25,979 --> 01:30:23,710
reality we have to confront right now

2045
01:30:29,580 --> 01:30:25,989
it's called the station break

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01:30:34,260 --> 01:30:29,590
very common with gene and Chris you're

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01:34:58,160 --> 01:34:56,240
this is mica hang to the gray leader for

2149
01:35:00,330 --> 01:34:58,170
and you're listening to the para cast

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01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:00,340
the gold standard of paranormal radio

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01:35:08,210 --> 01:35:06,410
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01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:08,220
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2153
01:35:14,060 --> 01:35:11,010
with gene and Chris we're back at the

2154
01:35:16,430 --> 01:35:14,070
para cast with Nancy datura the book is

2155
01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:16,440
called how to talk to an alien now some

2156
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:18,570
of these races here that you're

2157
01:35:24,440 --> 01:35:23,130
identifying as applying to ETS is that

2158
01:35:27,890 --> 01:35:24,450
because they tell you that or other

2159
01:35:30,140 --> 01:35:27,900
people tell you that or what you said

2160
01:35:31,580 --> 01:35:30,150
Pelagians for example what I said

2161
01:35:34,430 --> 01:35:31,590
Pelagians first or you did of course

2162
01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:34,440
alright in the Liri ins and the the

2163
01:35:40,760 --> 01:35:37,770
dracco and let's see where the other

2164
01:35:44,650 --> 01:35:40,770
ones your nordic tarps types i think are

2165
01:35:46,790 --> 01:35:44,660
Arcturians right i don't know for sure

2166
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:46,800
that's what the pop culture has been

2167
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:50,370
yeah pop listen one thing that disturbs

2168
01:35:54,170 --> 01:35:52,650
me all a lot is that people seem to

2169
01:35:57,410 --> 01:35:54,180
think if they hear something enough

2170
01:36:02,000 --> 01:35:57,420
times on the internet must joseph

2171
01:36:03,590 --> 01:36:02,010
goebbels and yeah a lot of people use

2172
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:03,600
this i'm an advertising they use it they

2173
01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:05,010
figure if you just all you can just

2174
01:36:10,700 --> 01:36:07,410
repeat something enough times and it

2175
01:36:17,830 --> 01:36:10,710
magically becomes true and I hate that

2176
01:36:24,020 --> 01:36:21,770
I'm gathering information okay I'm not

2177
01:36:25,880 --> 01:36:24,030
I'm not discounting what people are

2178
01:36:27,590 --> 01:36:25,890
saying but I'm just kind of quietly

2179
01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:27,600
saying okay well so the general

2180
01:36:31,820 --> 01:36:29,850
categories that a whole lot of people

2181
01:36:33,500 --> 01:36:31,830
seem to believe in I don't know why they

2182
01:36:36,260 --> 01:36:33,510
believe in it but they believe in it are

2183
01:36:37,730 --> 01:36:36,270
these categories and then I start to

2184
01:36:39,470 --> 01:36:37,740
look at the categories then I start to

2185
01:36:42,110 --> 01:36:39,480
see what are the forms of communication

2186
01:36:48,500 --> 01:36:42,120
in just break it down slowly by the way

2187
01:36:51,350 --> 01:36:48,510
I had this very strange dream I think I

2188
01:36:54,170 --> 01:36:51,360
wrote about it which was and I'm a lucid

2189
01:36:55,610 --> 01:36:54,180
dreamer by the way I and this dream felt

2190
01:36:57,020 --> 01:36:55,620
like a lucid dream it sort of had that

2191
01:36:59,840 --> 01:36:57,030
different feel to it they're usually

2192
01:37:02,510 --> 01:36:59,850
more vivid you kind of like sorry to

2193
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:02,520
explain but anyway I was in my car which

2194
01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:05,010
happens to be appropriately enough it's

2195
01:37:12,500 --> 01:37:09,090
a hybrid called intuition I'm in my car

2196
01:37:15,710 --> 01:37:12,510
and I'm parked about I don't know five

2197
01:37:17,660 --> 01:37:15,720
bucks more I live at this little island

2198
01:37:19,970 --> 01:37:17,670
in the middle of three there are three

2199
01:37:21,260 --> 01:37:19,980
streets and I'm waiting for a friend of

2200
01:37:21,830 --> 01:37:21,270
mine a neighbor to get out and I'm going

2201
01:37:23,570 --> 01:37:21,840
to drive

2202
01:37:27,740 --> 01:37:23,580
someplace I'm sitting in the driver's

2203
01:37:30,650 --> 01:37:27,750
seat door opens and this reptilian-type

2204
01:37:33,250 --> 01:37:30,660
jumps in and I look at this

2205
01:37:37,250 --> 01:37:33,260
reptilian-type and he looks at me and

2206
01:37:39,950 --> 01:37:37,260
I'm thinking uh-oh this cannot be good I

2207
01:37:41,150 --> 01:37:39,960
better run and I'm thinking the time

2208
01:37:43,220 --> 01:37:41,160
that it's going to take me to open the

2209
01:37:46,460 --> 01:37:43,230
car door and try and get out and run

2210
01:37:48,650 --> 01:37:46,470
it's gonna be too late and in the very

2211
01:37:49,100 --> 01:37:48,660
the split second that we're staring each

2212
01:37:56,240 --> 01:37:49,110
other

2213
01:38:01,790 --> 01:37:56,250
I can feel through his visual gaze that

2214
01:38:03,410 --> 01:38:01,800
he has I can feel that he's locked on to

2215
01:38:06,410 --> 01:38:03,420
my brainwaves I could feel it it feels

2216
01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:06,420
compressed and it was actually quite an

2217
01:38:11,230 --> 01:38:08,970
unpleasant as the feeling sort of I

2218
01:38:14,240 --> 01:38:11,240
described as like a lockdown feeling and

2219
01:38:17,660 --> 01:38:14,250
it's like being prisoner inside your

2220
01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:17,670
brainwaves and I thought this is this is

2221
01:38:22,220 --> 01:38:19,890
not good at all I'm doomed and then I

2222
01:38:24,980 --> 01:38:22,230
thought well you know all of this

2223
01:38:28,340 --> 01:38:24,990
psychic training that I've been doing it

2224
01:38:33,370 --> 01:38:28,350
ought to be useful why am I not using

2225
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:33,380
this so I decided to gather up what I

2226
01:38:39,380 --> 01:38:36,090
visualized or experienced it's like a

2227
01:38:42,530 --> 01:38:39,390
plasma ball of energy in my mind and I

2228
01:38:45,680 --> 01:38:42,540
shot it back through these interlocked

2229
01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:45,690
brain waves between me and this

2230
01:38:51,260 --> 01:38:48,930
reptilian type of alien and it broke the

2231
01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:51,270
connection and my dream ended and I

2232
01:38:56,870 --> 01:38:54,570
thought wow we have power we just don't

2233
01:38:59,060 --> 01:38:56,880
know what our powers are the fact that I

2234
01:39:03,170 --> 01:38:59,070
was dreaming about a reptilian alien I

2235
01:39:06,530 --> 01:39:03,180
thought that's beyond absurd why would I

2236
01:39:08,150 --> 01:39:06,540
dream about a reptilian alien I don't

2237
01:39:11,690 --> 01:39:08,160
know maybe you just said red Pamela

2238
01:39:15,670 --> 01:39:11,700
stone books book now I'm not familiar

2239
01:39:18,920 --> 01:39:15,680
with it no nope because she had a

2240
01:39:23,270 --> 01:39:18,930
reptilian alien lover oh well I mean I

2241
01:39:24,680 --> 01:39:23,280
know plenty people who have had aliens

2242
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:24,690
get into bed with them same way I know

2243
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:26,970
plenty people have had deceased spirits

2244
01:39:31,340 --> 01:39:28,650
get into bed with them they can feel the

2245
01:39:35,049 --> 01:39:31,350
bed depress they can feel the touch of

2246
01:39:38,500 --> 01:39:35,059
the whatever the entity is

2247
01:39:41,140 --> 01:39:38,510
yeah it's creepy stuff and and both men

2248
01:39:45,310 --> 01:39:41,150
and women by the way kind of shades of

2249
01:39:50,350 --> 01:39:45,320
Incubus and succubus yeah or the night

2250
01:39:54,189 --> 01:39:50,360
hag I hate when I have dreams of aliens

2251
01:39:56,740 --> 01:39:54,199
and I never do so I think maybe once or

2252
01:39:58,600 --> 01:39:56,750
twice I've had some dreams where

2253
01:40:00,459 --> 01:39:58,610
something was gonna be coming out of a

2254
01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:00,469
landed ship and I wake up you know but

2255
01:40:07,959 --> 01:40:03,050
I've never I guess I must have some sort

2256
01:40:10,060 --> 01:40:07,969
of mental block kind of a you know no

2257
01:40:12,850 --> 01:40:10,070
aliens allowed in my dream sign or

2258
01:40:15,850 --> 01:40:12,860
something and they've been pretty pretty

2259
01:40:18,520 --> 01:40:15,860
good about it actually I don't have any

2260
01:40:23,189 --> 01:40:18,530
no aliens allowed in my dreams I have no

2261
01:40:27,010 --> 01:40:23,199
aliens or other types of spirit entities

2262
01:40:28,779 --> 01:40:27,020
allowed in my bedroom because I want to

2263
01:40:31,020 --> 01:40:28,789
get a good night's sleep and I never

2264
01:40:33,640 --> 01:40:31,030
understood why people like Sylvia Browne

2265
01:40:35,589 --> 01:40:33,650
used to you know be very proud of the

2266
01:40:38,560 --> 01:40:35,599
fact that she'd say oh yeah they're at

2267
01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:38,570
least you know 15 20 dead dead spirits

2268
01:40:41,470 --> 01:40:39,770
they're wandering around the foot of my

2269
01:40:42,790 --> 01:40:41,480
bed and I they all want to talk to me

2270
01:40:47,970 --> 01:40:42,800
and I'm very important that kind of

2271
01:40:50,229 --> 01:40:47,980
thing and I thought how how terrible I

2272
01:40:55,060 --> 01:40:50,239
don't know about everything that Sylvia

2273
01:40:57,430 --> 01:40:55,070
Browne ever said I think is I never

2274
01:41:00,040 --> 01:40:57,440
really got into the the real you know

2275
01:41:01,870 --> 01:41:00,050
famous psychics Amy Allen's the only one

2276
01:41:05,319 --> 01:41:01,880
that I know that's been on TV that I

2277
01:41:09,939 --> 01:41:05,329
know has genuine abilities in terms of

2278
01:41:11,879 --> 01:41:09,949
her extra-special fine-tuning and being

2279
01:41:15,879 --> 01:41:11,889
able to pick up on dead people basically

2280
01:41:19,569 --> 01:41:15,889
we've had proof of that in in the Ford

2281
01:41:21,010 --> 01:41:19,579
of supporting EVPs that occur and then

2282
01:41:23,979 --> 01:41:21,020
she says did you hear that I heard

2283
01:41:26,919 --> 01:41:23,989
children playing right and we could hear

2284
01:41:29,049 --> 01:41:26,929
them on the EVP recording later you know

2285
01:41:31,419 --> 01:41:29,059
this is all really really fascinating

2286
01:41:34,870 --> 01:41:31,429
stuff but but I'm just wondering you

2287
01:41:38,010 --> 01:41:34,880
know should we really be looking at

2288
01:41:39,939 --> 01:41:38,020
interactions with these beings as

2289
01:41:43,120 --> 01:41:39,949
something that's just gonna keep going

2290
01:41:45,459 --> 01:41:43,130
on you know with its present form or do

2291
01:41:47,699 --> 01:41:45,469
you think we're seeing a slight increase

2292
01:41:51,239 --> 01:41:47,709
in interactions

2293
01:41:53,729 --> 01:41:51,249
do you get a sense that you know within

2294
01:41:56,100 --> 01:41:53,739
a fairly short time that we're gonna be

2295
01:41:57,239 --> 01:41:56,110
actually in full contact with with some

2296
01:41:59,100 --> 01:41:57,249
of these beings so do you think they're

2297
01:42:01,679 --> 01:41:59,110
just gonna be playing tricks Jewish

2298
01:42:05,250 --> 01:42:01,689
games with this you know business as

2299
01:42:06,719 --> 01:42:05,260
usual I don't think anybody has the

2300
01:42:08,009 --> 01:42:06,729
absolute answer that I mean I've

2301
01:42:11,850 --> 01:42:08,019
certainly heard plenty of people saying

2302
01:42:14,399 --> 01:42:11,860
yeah you know we're we're right on the

2303
01:42:16,859 --> 01:42:14,409
the edge of either disclosure with a

2304
01:42:18,479 --> 01:42:16,869
capital D or disclosure with the little

2305
01:42:20,449 --> 01:42:18,489
D or they're all going to show up

2306
01:42:27,299 --> 01:42:20,459
there's going to be some type of

2307
01:42:30,359 --> 01:42:27,309
worldwide contact experience I've heard

2308
01:42:34,620 --> 01:42:30,369
all of that my I don't know the answer

2309
01:42:37,290 --> 01:42:34,630
but my my sense is that there's growing

2310
01:42:41,129 --> 01:42:37,300
acceptance of our interaction with them

2311
01:42:44,189 --> 01:42:41,139
and if that acceptance is increasing in

2312
01:42:46,199 --> 01:42:44,199
the same sense that if you go back you

2313
01:42:48,959 --> 01:42:46,209
know a lot of people suggested that you

2314
01:42:50,399 --> 01:42:48,969
know the Egyptians of the the Mayans

2315
01:42:52,319 --> 01:42:50,409
could have done what they were doing

2316
01:42:54,750 --> 01:42:52,329
with their technologies unless they were

2317
01:42:56,729 --> 01:42:54,760
interacting directly with with aliens

2318
01:42:59,669 --> 01:42:56,739
and I don't discount that as a

2319
01:43:03,330 --> 01:42:59,679
possibility anything's possible but I

2320
01:43:06,540 --> 01:43:03,340
think people forget how ingenious human

2321
01:43:09,989 --> 01:43:06,550
humans are and human nature just you

2322
01:43:13,049 --> 01:43:09,999
know really kind of boiler plated to

2323
01:43:14,640 --> 01:43:13,059
build and invent and move forward so I

2324
01:43:17,009 --> 01:43:14,650
think we don't give ourselves enough

2325
01:43:19,319 --> 01:43:17,019
credit and we we try to Palm off a lot

2326
01:43:22,669 --> 01:43:19,329
of impressive human achievements as

2327
01:43:25,290 --> 01:43:22,679
being divinely inspired or we've been

2328
01:43:27,089 --> 01:43:25,300
visited by aliens we're doing it all for

2329
01:43:29,279 --> 01:43:27,099
us i I don't buy into that I think I

2330
01:43:32,339 --> 01:43:29,289
think sure there are some mysteries in

2331
01:43:35,189 --> 01:43:32,349
the past have maybe been misinterpreted

2332
01:43:37,319 --> 01:43:35,199
but I think human ingenuity really knows

2333
01:43:39,029 --> 01:43:37,329
no there's no end to it

2334
01:43:42,120 --> 01:43:39,039
I mean we're gonna be jumping forward

2335
01:43:44,759 --> 01:43:42,130
and leaps and bounds as time goes on in

2336
01:43:47,429 --> 01:43:44,769
novelty and the creative impulse of

2337
01:43:48,989 --> 01:43:47,439
reality just it's doubling up and

2338
01:43:51,239 --> 01:43:48,999
doubling up and doubling up and doubling

2339
01:43:53,160 --> 01:43:51,249
up we're headed towards some sort of

2340
01:43:54,660 --> 01:43:53,170
singularity of some some sort whether

2341
01:43:58,649 --> 01:43:54,670
it's breaking the time barrier whether

2342
01:44:00,709 --> 01:43:58,659
it's EP or transhumanism you know taking

2343
01:44:02,689 --> 01:44:00,719
the brain of David Rock

2344
01:44:07,219 --> 01:44:02,699
and implanting it in some sort of

2345
01:44:08,899 --> 01:44:07,229
harddrive god forbid or dick cheney why

2346
01:44:13,959 --> 01:44:08,909
do we have to talk about dick cheney

2347
01:44:21,649 --> 01:44:13,969
well any person that i find particularly

2348
01:44:24,680 --> 01:44:21,659
I don't know just diabolical Darth Darth

2349
01:44:27,529 --> 01:44:24,690
Cheney you know so we don't really know

2350
01:44:28,879 --> 01:44:27,539
what this singularity is gonna be I'm

2351
01:44:31,310 --> 01:44:28,889
sure there's lots of people have made

2352
01:44:33,500 --> 01:44:31,320
all kinds of speculations Micah Hanks

2353
01:44:35,810 --> 01:44:33,510
wrote a good book on it of course Ray

2354
01:44:39,109 --> 01:44:35,820
Kurzweil and others have addressed this

2355
01:44:42,680 --> 01:44:39,119
subject but do you see they're reaching

2356
01:44:46,790 --> 01:44:42,690
a saturation point where humans will

2357
01:44:49,459 --> 01:44:46,800
almost force some sort of revelatory

2358
01:44:52,790 --> 01:44:49,469
event where aliens say okay yeah cause

2359
01:44:56,779 --> 01:44:52,800
here we are you know we've been we've

2360
01:44:59,450 --> 01:44:56,789
been here this is our agenda etc etc do

2361
01:45:01,819 --> 01:44:59,460
you see that happening I I mean is there

2362
01:45:02,509 --> 01:45:01,829
anything is possible but but what does

2363
01:45:04,310 --> 01:45:02,519
your gut tell you

2364
01:45:06,379 --> 01:45:04,320
before you answer that question we have

2365
01:45:08,899 --> 01:45:06,389
to do a break and I'll tell you

2366
01:45:10,700 --> 01:45:08,909
listeners if you just tuned in there's a

2367
01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:10,710
book called the messengers from Mike

2368
01:45:16,100 --> 01:45:14,010
Cleland which will be the topic of next

2369
01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:16,110
week's discussion with Gene and Chris

2370
01:45:24,460 --> 01:45:18,810
you're in the para cast

2371
01:45:31,950 --> 01:45:27,950
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2372
01:45:37,830 --> 01:45:31,960
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2373
01:45:39,300 --> 01:45:37,840
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2375
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2376
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2377
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former military intelligence man is

2378
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contacted by a space woman in a dream a

2379
01:45:51,930 --> 01:45:49,780
dream that turns out to be a nightmare

2380
01:45:53,970 --> 01:45:51,940
because evil forces on our distant

2381
01:45:56,310 --> 01:45:53,980
planet are planning to conquer the earth

2382
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this is gripping science fiction of the

2383
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classic kind attack of the rock codes

2384
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and the coming of the protectors

2385
01:46:07,350 --> 01:46:02,950
find out more at Rocko it's calm that's

2386
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rock codes are Ock oids calm so here's

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what happened I was placing an order

2388
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online the site went down it took hours

2389
01:46:15,690 --> 01:46:13,900
before it returned but I'd already

2390
01:46:17,670 --> 01:46:15,700
placed the order with another company if

2391
01:46:19,620 --> 01:46:17,680
your site goes down you could lose

2392
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business and if you have a business or

2393
01:46:24,780 --> 01:46:21,580
personal site you'll want to know it's

2394
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easy to run and it will stay online at I

2395
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web your site is hosted on one of the

2396
01:46:33,600 --> 01:46:30,730
most reliable networks in the world talk

2397
01:46:35,730 --> 01:46:33,610
to a sales rep at a web.com use the

2398
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promo code tech night out for a special

2399
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discount don't complain about your cable

2400
01:46:44,340 --> 01:46:42,280
bill going up and up and I'll do

2401
01:46:47,910 --> 01:46:44,350
something about it grab a pencil and jot

2402
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down this special number 20 55 905 my TV

2403
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the more cable TV rates go up the better

2404
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digital satellite TV looks say goodbye

2405
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[Music]

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01:47:53,220 --> 01:47:48,910
welcome back to the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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01:48:04,570 --> 01:48:01,940
here's Jane Steinberg so as we broke

2427
01:48:07,240 --> 01:48:04,580
Chris asked a lengthy question of our

2428
01:48:10,120 --> 01:48:07,250
guests Nancy doterra the author of how

2429
01:48:13,209 --> 01:48:10,130
to talk to an alien Nancy what's a

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01:48:16,149 --> 01:48:13,219
response okay well I was sort of getting

2431
01:48:19,300 --> 01:48:16,159
there but very slowly and the idea is if

2432
01:48:23,160 --> 01:48:19,310
you go back to earlier stages in our

2433
01:48:26,320 --> 01:48:23,170
human history we were more in touch with

2434
01:48:31,510 --> 01:48:26,330
whatever you want to call it the spirit

2435
01:48:33,790 --> 01:48:31,520
with deities with beings beyond merely

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01:48:37,419 --> 01:48:33,800
ourselves and we were in touch with him

2437
01:48:40,510 --> 01:48:37,429
away that was combined sort of emotion

2438
01:48:44,260 --> 01:48:40,520
emotional mental physical spiritual I

2439
01:48:47,379 --> 01:48:44,270
think that as we are approaching a time

2440
01:48:48,870 --> 01:48:47,389
and it is being shared by technology you

2441
01:48:51,580 --> 01:48:48,880
know that's sort of making it catch fire

2442
01:48:54,459 --> 01:48:51,590
that everybody is sort of opening up

2443
01:48:57,250 --> 01:48:54,469
their minds to these possible spirit

2444
01:49:00,930 --> 01:48:57,260
connections that that is a form of

2445
01:49:04,840 --> 01:49:00,940
disclosure that is a form of

2446
01:49:07,540 --> 01:49:04,850
experiencing the alien presence in a way

2447
01:49:09,070 --> 01:49:07,550
that isn't you know knock knock we're

2448
01:49:11,050 --> 01:49:09,080
here at the White House lawn can you let

2449
01:49:13,180 --> 01:49:11,060
us in it's a different deal

2450
01:49:16,180 --> 01:49:13,190
and I think as more and more people

2451
01:49:19,330 --> 01:49:16,190
begin to accept and understand their

2452
01:49:21,640 --> 01:49:19,340
psychic abilities you know one of my

2453
01:49:25,090 --> 01:49:21,650
mentors was was Ingo Swann he was

2454
01:49:28,600 --> 01:49:25,100
travelling mentally on different planets

2455
01:49:31,030 --> 01:49:28,610
we can all do that we can mentally

2456
01:49:33,640 --> 01:49:31,040
travel to the other side of the world we

2457
01:49:36,459 --> 01:49:33,650
can actually see stuff it might not feel

2458
01:49:38,649 --> 01:49:36,469
like stuff feels like with our five

2459
01:49:40,990 --> 01:49:38,659
senses it feels slightly different but

2460
01:49:44,590 --> 01:49:41,000
it's once you start checking your data

2461
01:49:47,890 --> 01:49:44,600
you can check the quote-unquote reality

2462
01:49:50,140 --> 01:49:47,900
of it the more we begin to accept that

2463
01:49:53,709 --> 01:49:50,150
we have those skills and abilities the

2464
01:49:55,990 --> 01:49:53,719
more we will be in touch with I think a

2465
01:49:57,910 --> 01:49:56,000
lot of different types of aliens and

2466
01:50:00,280 --> 01:49:57,920
we'll be able to detect

2467
01:50:02,650 --> 01:50:00,290
their reality where did you get your

2468
01:50:06,060 --> 01:50:02,660
remote viewing no training I started

2469
01:50:09,130 --> 01:50:06,070
with Lindy cannon okay interesting guy I

2470
01:50:10,660 --> 01:50:09,140
love Lynn he's great I'm glad you didn't

2471
01:50:14,439 --> 01:50:10,670
say Courtney brown because then I was

2472
01:50:16,630 --> 01:50:14,449
had to spank you no no Courtney I never

2473
01:50:19,240 --> 01:50:16,640
met him yeah I don't think there's

2474
01:50:21,160 --> 01:50:19,250
aliens living under Mount Baldy behind

2475
01:50:23,860 --> 01:50:21,170
Santa Fe but that's just me

2476
01:50:26,500 --> 01:50:23,870
so we're exactly in the country are you

2477
01:50:28,750 --> 01:50:26,510
you're are you back Easter I'm back east

2478
01:50:29,320 --> 01:50:28,760
I'm right outside of New York City okay

2479
01:50:32,650 --> 01:50:29,330
cool

2480
01:50:33,130 --> 01:50:32,660
all right my old stomping grounds yeah I

2481
01:50:36,610 --> 01:50:33,140
know

2482
01:50:39,430 --> 01:50:36,620
no okay okay well here's some more

2483
01:50:41,350 --> 01:50:39,440
questions here we've got a number of

2484
01:50:43,300 --> 01:50:41,360
them this one again

2485
01:50:45,820 --> 01:50:43,310
Williams Phaethon you really brought him

2486
01:50:47,500 --> 01:50:45,830
out of the the closet here he's asking a

2487
01:50:50,410 --> 01:50:47,510
bunch of questions he's wondering what

2488
01:50:52,660 --> 01:50:50,420
your opinion is of billy meier and what

2489
01:50:54,669 --> 01:50:52,670
is your opinion of the hubris that were

2490
01:50:57,490 --> 01:50:54,679
espoused by or being espoused by david

2491
01:51:00,490 --> 01:50:57,500
jacobs I mean the Billy Meyer stuff I've

2492
01:51:03,220 --> 01:51:00,500
seen it I know that it's it's sort of

2493
01:51:05,709 --> 01:51:03,230
fascinating and strange and sometimes

2494
01:51:07,840 --> 01:51:05,719
difficult to believe and I don't lay any

2495
01:51:10,930 --> 01:51:07,850
judgements on it I just incorporated

2496
01:51:16,450 --> 01:51:10,940
into the information that's that's out

2497
01:51:18,760 --> 01:51:16,460
there Schubert's are those the the human

2498
01:51:21,640 --> 01:51:18,770
hybrids yeah that are now living on

2499
01:51:23,260 --> 01:51:21,650
earth and the abductees have been or at

2500
01:51:25,959 --> 01:51:23,270
least that's what he says that well

2501
01:51:28,660 --> 01:51:25,969
that's yeah that's what he's seen in in

2502
01:51:33,250 --> 01:51:28,670
his case histories now since about 2005

2503
01:51:35,770 --> 01:51:33,260
that they're actually being kind of

2504
01:51:37,510 --> 01:51:35,780
winnowed in into in society but they

2505
01:51:38,979 --> 01:51:37,520
need help in the abductees are being

2506
01:51:41,890 --> 01:51:38,989
tasked with helping them shop at Walmart

2507
01:51:45,390 --> 01:51:41,900
and order hamburgers at McDonald's or

2508
01:51:49,560 --> 01:51:45,400
whatever eat jello with a knife or I

2509
01:51:52,959 --> 01:51:49,570
still I have for all my being I guess

2510
01:51:56,830 --> 01:51:52,969
accepting a lot of that just makes me oh

2511
01:51:58,840 --> 01:51:56,840
this I I it's hard that that's really

2512
01:52:06,040 --> 01:51:58,850
hard however I I will tell you this I

2513
01:52:10,150 --> 01:52:06,050
know several people who I for many

2514
01:52:11,550 --> 01:52:10,160
reasons believe are some combination

2515
01:52:17,070 --> 01:52:11,560
thereof because

2516
01:52:23,600 --> 01:52:17,080
they don't they don't look like or react

2517
01:52:27,660 --> 01:52:23,610
as say normal quote-unquote humans might

2518
01:52:29,220 --> 01:52:27,670
but I don't know I don't know I I mean

2519
01:52:32,070 --> 01:52:29,230
my guess is yeah they're they're out

2520
01:52:35,240 --> 01:52:32,080
there walking around us and I think what

2521
01:52:37,830 --> 01:52:35,250
I'm really trying to say in my book is

2522
01:52:40,350 --> 01:52:37,840
forget about trying to use your judgment

2523
01:52:43,320 --> 01:52:40,360
well what do they look like or how do

2524
01:52:45,450 --> 01:52:43,330
they talk do they know how to use our

2525
01:52:48,150 --> 01:52:45,460
currency or do they know how to shop at

2526
01:52:50,250 --> 01:52:48,160
Walmart or whatever instead of you know

2527
01:52:53,370 --> 01:52:50,260
torturing yourself with with those kinds

2528
01:52:55,950 --> 01:52:53,380
of questions look to the language and

2529
01:52:58,380 --> 01:52:55,960
the language and I point this out as

2530
01:53:00,480 --> 01:52:58,390
some of them speak and and I'm not

2531
01:53:02,360 --> 01:53:00,490
talking about hybrids particularly at

2532
01:53:06,510 --> 01:53:02,370
this point but but aliens some speak

2533
01:53:11,100 --> 01:53:06,520
with accents and some don't and if you

2534
01:53:16,170 --> 01:53:11,110
use their ability to speak language as a

2535
01:53:17,610 --> 01:53:16,180
measure of their interaction with us you

2536
01:53:21,540 --> 01:53:17,620
can come up with some interesting

2537
01:53:24,480 --> 01:53:21,550
information okay that's I think a pretty

2538
01:53:28,170 --> 01:53:24,490
good piece of advice you know I'm glad

2539
01:53:30,170 --> 01:53:28,180
that like us you have some I don't know

2540
01:53:33,810 --> 01:53:30,180
just reservations about about the

2541
01:53:38,760 --> 01:53:33,820
totality of the concept of few words and

2542
01:53:41,900 --> 01:53:38,770
and how much or how little of it is

2543
01:53:44,630 --> 01:53:41,910
based on reality is up to question but

2544
01:53:47,220 --> 01:53:44,640
this is a question from Ravens fiy who

2545
01:53:50,190 --> 01:53:47,230
comes out and asks very very good

2546
01:53:52,050 --> 01:53:50,200
question she's been a member of the

2547
01:53:53,910 --> 01:53:52,060
forum and post that forum dr. Perik

2548
01:53:56,220 --> 01:53:53,920
asked calm it's a question Bank where

2549
01:53:58,650 --> 01:53:56,230
all our listeners can ask questions of

2550
01:54:00,780 --> 01:53:58,660
our guests and she's got a couple of

2551
01:54:03,170 --> 01:54:00,790
them here she says you refer to yourself

2552
01:54:05,460 --> 01:54:03,180
as a as a linguist or an XO linguist

2553
01:54:07,140 --> 01:54:05,470
arguably the most famous linguist alive

2554
01:54:09,630 --> 01:54:07,150
is Noam Chomsky whose theory of

2555
01:54:11,580 --> 01:54:09,640
universal grammar posits that every

2556
01:54:13,950 --> 01:54:11,590
human language shares grammatical

2557
01:54:15,600 --> 01:54:13,960
similarities and could the similarities

2558
01:54:17,760 --> 01:54:15,610
and channeled an alien language you

2559
01:54:19,830 --> 01:54:17,770
you've identified the languages that

2560
01:54:22,680 --> 01:54:19,840
you've identified merely reflect the

2561
01:54:25,380 --> 01:54:22,690
innate linguistic structures humans

2562
01:54:27,780 --> 01:54:25,390
bring to language there was um

2563
01:54:30,630 --> 01:54:27,790
a media a nineteenth-century medium

2564
01:54:34,980 --> 01:54:30,640
whose pseudonym was a Helene Smith and

2565
01:54:37,320 --> 01:54:34,990
she was analyzed by a Swiss psychiatrist

2566
01:54:40,620 --> 01:54:37,330
named Flournoy I think his name was

2567
01:54:42,600 --> 01:54:40,630
Theodore Flournoy and he wrote this book

2568
01:54:46,590 --> 01:54:42,610
called from my things from Mars from

2569
01:54:49,770 --> 01:54:46,600
India to Mars and basically he followed

2570
01:54:53,460 --> 01:54:49,780
her with a I suppose relatively open

2571
01:54:55,530 --> 01:54:53,470
mind and she claimed to have gone to

2572
01:54:58,860 --> 01:54:55,540
Mars visited there she did drawings of

2573
01:55:03,750 --> 01:54:58,870
Mars and she claimed to channel Martian

2574
01:55:06,590 --> 01:55:03,760
language and so he put together an

2575
01:55:08,900 --> 01:55:06,600
analysis of her Martian language and

2576
01:55:14,630 --> 01:55:08,910
determined sort of along the norm

2577
01:55:17,640 --> 01:55:14,640
Chomsky lines that you know it bore a

2578
01:55:19,790 --> 01:55:17,650
grammatical there were too much of a

2579
01:55:22,920 --> 01:55:19,800
grammatical resemblance for a

2580
01:55:25,860 --> 01:55:22,930
syntactical resemblance to french which

2581
01:55:27,360 --> 01:55:25,870
was her native language for him to

2582
01:55:32,010 --> 01:55:27,370
assume that it was anything other than

2583
01:55:33,870 --> 01:55:32,020
you know her delusional fantasy and so

2584
01:55:37,130 --> 01:55:33,880
he sort of decided at the end of this

2585
01:55:41,490 --> 01:55:37,140
book that oh well she's kind of a kook

2586
01:55:45,870 --> 01:55:41,500
which is too bad because what I did is I

2587
01:55:48,780 --> 01:55:45,880
took her her channel of Martian language

2588
01:55:52,440 --> 01:55:48,790
and I compared it to the alphabet of

2589
01:55:55,110 --> 01:55:52,450
John Dee who was the most famous

2590
01:55:57,120 --> 01:55:55,120
mathematician of the sixteenth century

2591
01:55:59,540 --> 01:55:57,130
he was the astrologer and advisor to

2592
01:56:02,280 --> 01:55:59,550
Queen Elizabeth the first of England and

2593
01:56:06,030 --> 01:56:02,290
he at one point had an encounter with an

2594
01:56:08,490 --> 01:56:06,040
angel and he began channeling an

2595
01:56:11,190 --> 01:56:08,500
alphabet a light language he called it

2596
01:56:13,530 --> 01:56:11,200
that was given to him by this entity and

2597
01:56:15,180 --> 01:56:13,540
he would trace it it would appear in

2598
01:56:16,740 --> 01:56:15,190
sort of a pale yellow light and he would

2599
01:56:19,740 --> 01:56:16,750
trace it it was given to him backwards

2600
01:56:23,730 --> 01:56:19,750
because apparently it was too powerful

2601
01:56:27,110 --> 01:56:23,740
as a force an energetic force to be

2602
01:56:31,320 --> 01:56:27,120
delivered you know the way it should be

2603
01:56:34,530 --> 01:56:31,330
and I compared his alphabet with Helene

2604
01:56:37,800 --> 01:56:34,540
Smith's Martian alphabet and found that

2605
01:56:39,320 --> 01:56:37,810
there were numerous characters that

2606
01:56:44,240 --> 01:56:39,330
share

2607
01:56:46,070 --> 01:56:44,250
sort of a similarity now you could say

2608
01:56:48,050 --> 01:56:46,080
well okay that's if you want to go on

2609
01:56:50,120 --> 01:56:48,060
the lines that you know all all

2610
01:56:52,670 --> 01:56:50,130
alphabets somehow we're gonna be similar

2611
01:56:54,680 --> 01:56:52,680
because they all are well yeah in some

2612
01:56:56,090 --> 01:56:54,690
respects but didn't they you could also

2613
01:56:59,000 --> 01:56:56,100
take it from a different theoretical

2614
01:57:01,370 --> 01:56:59,010
angle which is that these are two people

2615
01:57:04,870 --> 01:57:01,380
who claim to have contact with aliens

2616
01:57:08,630 --> 01:57:04,880
and they're from you know they've got

2617
01:57:10,820 --> 01:57:08,640
you know for five hundred years between

2618
01:57:12,710 --> 01:57:10,830
them and they probably weren't familiar

2619
01:57:16,220 --> 01:57:12,720
with each other well we know one of them

2620
01:57:18,320 --> 01:57:16,230
wasn't familiar with the other so let's

2621
01:57:21,290 --> 01:57:18,330
look at it from the angle that they may

2622
01:57:24,860 --> 01:57:21,300
be they may have been communicated by

2623
01:57:27,470 --> 01:57:24,870
some other entity in a similar type of a

2624
01:57:29,780 --> 01:57:27,480
language let's continue this in our next

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talking about how to talk to an alien

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and I had to interrupt her can we

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continue in a please oh no you didn't

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02:02:13,990 --> 02:02:12,110
interrupt me no I mean I think that was

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02:02:16,840 --> 02:02:14,000
that was pretty much that was what I

2738
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want to say other than I have found that

2739
02:02:23,350 --> 02:02:20,270
you know I've heard many contactees or

2740
02:02:25,450 --> 02:02:23,360
channelers say well I'm the the only

2741
02:02:27,940 --> 02:02:25,460
person you know who's being communicated

2742
02:02:30,070 --> 02:02:27,950
with and they only communicate in one

2743
02:02:33,220 --> 02:02:30,080
language and I don't find that to be

2744
02:02:36,100 --> 02:02:33,230
true there seem to be many many and they

2745
02:02:39,400 --> 02:02:36,110
look that the written languages look

2746
02:02:42,400 --> 02:02:39,410
very very different some of them look a

2747
02:02:45,010 --> 02:02:42,410
little bit reminiscent of Chinese or

2748
02:02:47,560 --> 02:02:45,020
Sanskrit some of them look very

2749
02:02:50,560 --> 02:02:47,570
geometric some of them look like chicken

2750
02:02:52,110 --> 02:02:50,570
scratch or kind of like Nordic runic

2751
02:02:54,090 --> 02:02:52,120
alphabet so they

2752
02:02:56,430 --> 02:02:54,100
very different but once you start to

2753
02:02:59,580 --> 02:02:56,440
compare them with some of the ancient

2754
02:03:03,510 --> 02:02:59,590
human languages and you start to compare

2755
02:03:08,040 --> 02:03:03,520
them among each other they start to

2756
02:03:10,680 --> 02:03:08,050
share certain characteristics and that's

2757
02:03:13,140 --> 02:03:10,690
what I think is interesting I haven't

2758
02:03:16,680 --> 02:03:13,150
come into any final conclusion about

2759
02:03:19,580 --> 02:03:16,690
whether that means that well they're all

2760
02:03:24,780 --> 02:03:19,590
kind of just human in general or whether

2761
02:03:27,780 --> 02:03:24,790
we share languages in common or related

2762
02:03:28,800 --> 02:03:27,790
to certain alien languages I don't know

2763
02:03:30,870 --> 02:03:28,810
that yet because I don't have enough

2764
02:03:34,140 --> 02:03:30,880
information what I do think is

2765
02:03:36,630 --> 02:03:34,150
interesting is that Joseph Smith the

2766
02:03:39,540 --> 02:03:36,640
founder of the Mormon religion was

2767
02:03:43,020 --> 02:03:39,550
handed some stuff by an alleged angel

2768
02:03:44,670 --> 02:03:43,030
the angel Moroni okay he was given

2769
02:03:47,540 --> 02:03:44,680
golden plates he was told to translate

2770
02:03:50,010 --> 02:03:47,550
them they were in some strange language

2771
02:03:51,480 --> 02:03:50,020
he translated them into English which

2772
02:03:53,640 --> 02:03:51,490
became the Book of Mormon

2773
02:03:56,520 --> 02:03:53,650
but the language that he translated them

2774
02:04:01,470 --> 02:03:56,530
out of is referred to as reformed

2775
02:04:02,940 --> 02:04:01,480
Egyptian so why is it why would a nor a

2776
02:04:05,550 --> 02:04:02,950
lien so whatever you want to call them

2777
02:04:08,760 --> 02:04:05,560
why would they be writing in reformed

2778
02:04:12,180 --> 02:04:08,770
Egyptian okay and there may be an answer

2779
02:04:14,430 --> 02:04:12,190
in the fact that language evolves

2780
02:04:15,870 --> 02:04:14,440
particularly if you have the same group

2781
02:04:18,140 --> 02:04:15,880
of people all speaking or writing the

2782
02:04:22,410 --> 02:04:18,150
same language and they get separated by

2783
02:04:24,780 --> 02:04:22,420
space or time and they evolve

2784
02:04:26,880 --> 02:04:24,790
differently there's they remain sort of

2785
02:04:29,810 --> 02:04:26,890
similar but sort of not in other words

2786
02:04:35,160 --> 02:04:29,820
kind of like a reformed language and

2787
02:04:37,410 --> 02:04:35,170
that may be an explanation for you know

2788
02:04:39,990 --> 02:04:37,420
some of the ancient alien series that

2789
02:04:43,320 --> 02:04:40,000
either they gave us a language or they

2790
02:04:45,510 --> 02:04:43,330
learned our language then separated from

2791
02:04:47,820 --> 02:04:45,520
us and have come back at various points

2792
02:04:49,920 --> 02:04:47,830
to try and communicate but the languages

2793
02:04:51,660 --> 02:04:49,930
are they're kind of similar but they're

2794
02:04:53,760 --> 02:04:51,670
not there they're they're not identical

2795
02:04:55,200 --> 02:04:53,770
now I'm going to ask you a silly

2796
02:04:57,650 --> 02:04:55,210
question or maybe it's not a silly

2797
02:05:02,280 --> 02:04:57,660
question Nancy are you familiar with

2798
02:05:04,650 --> 02:05:02,290
Richard shaver no Richard shaver was

2799
02:05:05,879 --> 02:05:04,660
somebody who lived through up to the

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02:05:08,790 --> 02:05:05,889
1970s

2801
02:05:12,000 --> 02:05:08,800
be in contact with under earth beings

2802
02:05:14,310 --> 02:05:12,010
who were descended from advanced anxious

2803
02:05:17,159 --> 02:05:14,320
and he introduced something which he

2804
02:05:20,279 --> 02:05:17,169
called man tongue which was supposed to

2805
02:05:22,229 --> 02:05:20,289
be a forerunner language to current

2806
02:05:23,549 --> 02:05:22,239
languages just want to drop that in

2807
02:05:26,370 --> 02:05:23,559
there but if you haven't heard about it

2808
02:05:27,929 --> 02:05:26,380
there's no point let's interesting I'll

2809
02:05:30,779 --> 02:05:27,939
definitely check it out you know it

2810
02:05:32,129 --> 02:05:30,789
could be completely crazy well anything

2811
02:05:33,870 --> 02:05:32,139
could be completely crazy that's why I

2812
02:05:35,580 --> 02:05:33,880
say instead of focusing on any one

2813
02:05:37,739 --> 02:05:35,590
individual and their own personal

2814
02:05:41,600 --> 02:05:37,749
craziness let's take a look at

2815
02:05:44,669 --> 02:05:41,610
everybody's collective craziness yeah

2816
02:05:48,409 --> 02:05:44,679
the crazy common denominators you don't

2817
02:05:50,939 --> 02:05:48,419
have that long to spend talking to me

2818
02:05:53,339 --> 02:05:50,949
that's a lot of crazy boy let me tell

2819
02:05:55,049 --> 02:05:53,349
you here's another question from Ravens

2820
02:05:57,000 --> 02:05:55,059
feet which is a good one but it's

2821
02:05:58,649 --> 02:05:57,010
something I often wonder about the

2822
02:06:00,270 --> 02:05:58,659
history of channel messages is littered

2823
02:06:02,520 --> 02:06:00,280
with inaccurate and failed predictions

2824
02:06:04,469 --> 02:06:02,530
channeled aliens have also claimed they

2825
02:06:06,149 --> 02:06:04,479
come from planets such as Venus you know

2826
02:06:09,389 --> 02:06:06,159
someone to contact these and the 50s had

2827
02:06:11,909 --> 02:06:09,399
pretty outrageous claims coming from

2828
02:06:13,979 --> 02:06:11,919
aliens and you know obviously we know

2829
02:06:16,799 --> 02:06:13,989
that Venus is highly unlikely to support

2830
02:06:18,179 --> 02:06:16,809
life so if these messages were wrong why

2831
02:06:20,520 --> 02:06:18,189
should we trust any of the other

2832
02:06:22,199 --> 02:06:20,530
information provided I mean you know

2833
02:06:24,359 --> 02:06:22,209
there seems to be some trickery going on

2834
02:06:26,399 --> 02:06:24,369
here and you know it goes all the way

2835
02:06:32,459 --> 02:06:26,409
back to some of the medieval reports

2836
02:06:35,659 --> 02:06:32,469
where aliens would be observed saying

2837
02:06:38,219 --> 02:06:35,669
nonsensical things of course she had the

2838
02:06:41,100 --> 02:06:38,229
1890's airship wave where the pilots

2839
02:06:43,319 --> 02:06:41,110
would ask nonsensical questions or come

2840
02:06:46,649 --> 02:06:43,329
up with totally non sequiturs answers to

2841
02:06:49,469 --> 02:06:46,659
questions should we trust any of this

2842
02:06:51,359 --> 02:06:49,479
you know I seem to remember that John

2843
02:06:55,649 --> 02:06:51,369
keel had some similar types of questions

2844
02:06:58,319 --> 02:06:55,659
yeah and and I think it's true I mean

2845
02:07:01,219 --> 02:06:58,329
you look at people who have sort of it

2846
02:07:04,109 --> 02:07:01,229
looks like they've been manipulated by

2847
02:07:05,909 --> 02:07:04,119
you know alleged contact with aliens and

2848
02:07:07,739 --> 02:07:05,919
they believed him and they followed out

2849
02:07:08,250 --> 02:07:07,749
whatever they were instructed to do or

2850
02:07:10,830 --> 02:07:08,260
whatever

2851
02:07:13,679 --> 02:07:10,840
some of the more pillars of society and

2852
02:07:16,439 --> 02:07:13,689
they ended up broke or kind of ruined or

2853
02:07:19,120 --> 02:07:16,449
ridiculed or whatever and you say said

2854
02:07:21,160 --> 02:07:19,130
well what was that about

2855
02:07:23,320 --> 02:07:21,170
I can tell you I mean and I again I

2856
02:07:26,879 --> 02:07:23,330
don't know the answer other than I think

2857
02:07:32,229 --> 02:07:26,889
you have to be skeptical skeptical and

2858
02:07:35,979 --> 02:07:32,239
careful but you have to use your non

2859
02:07:37,540 --> 02:07:35,989
analytic capacity of discernment when

2860
02:07:40,270 --> 02:07:37,550
you're trying to figure out well who's

2861
02:07:41,530 --> 02:07:40,280
telling the truth and who's not I just

2862
02:07:42,129 --> 02:07:41,540
to give you an example when I was in

2863
02:07:45,280 --> 02:07:42,139
college

2864
02:07:46,840 --> 02:07:45,290
I had two friends very very

2865
02:07:50,410 --> 02:07:46,850
straight-laced very analytic very

2866
02:07:54,370 --> 02:07:50,420
serious their mom was the probably the

2867
02:07:56,620 --> 02:07:54,380
world's most famous channeler of aliens

2868
02:07:58,570 --> 02:07:56,630
I didn't believe in any of this stuff at

2869
02:08:00,129 --> 02:07:58,580
the time she we invited her to come and

2870
02:08:02,050 --> 02:08:00,139
speak to the students of course we

2871
02:08:04,570 --> 02:08:02,060
couldn't do it through the university

2872
02:08:06,220 --> 02:08:04,580
itself but the place was packed we took

2873
02:08:07,810 --> 02:08:06,230
her to lunch she said to me something I

2874
02:08:09,070 --> 02:08:07,820
would you like to see me bend a spoon I

2875
02:08:12,520 --> 02:08:09,080
had no idea what that meant

2876
02:08:14,320 --> 02:08:12,530
I said sure she did like a you know or a

2877
02:08:16,300 --> 02:08:14,330
Gillard I think she's just barely

2878
02:08:18,100 --> 02:08:16,310
touching it the the spoon just melted

2879
02:08:19,270 --> 02:08:18,110
his first time I'd ever seen it I didn't

2880
02:08:23,950 --> 02:08:19,280
know what to think of it I thought it

2881
02:08:25,750 --> 02:08:23,960
was weird but that was that her kids had

2882
02:08:28,740 --> 02:08:25,760
told me this story which I never

2883
02:08:31,330 --> 02:08:28,750
believed and I recently verified this

2884
02:08:32,950 --> 02:08:31,340
that they had watched her Channel and

2885
02:08:33,959 --> 02:08:32,960
alien that came through that wasn't one

2886
02:08:36,459 --> 02:08:33,969
of the nice ones

2887
02:08:39,520 --> 02:08:36,469
apparently sort of abused the the open

2888
02:08:41,439 --> 02:08:39,530
channel came in and within 17 seconds

2889
02:08:43,660 --> 02:08:41,449
she had put on 40 pounds and she popped

2890
02:08:46,090 --> 02:08:43,670
all of the buttons on her shirt and her

2891
02:08:47,379 --> 02:08:46,100
skirt and took her years to take off

2892
02:08:49,090 --> 02:08:47,389
most of the weight she never took off

2893
02:08:52,240 --> 02:08:49,100
all of it

2894
02:08:55,590 --> 02:08:52,250
Wow for a woman that is the that is the

2895
02:08:58,750 --> 02:08:55,600
ultimate punishment it's terrible and

2896
02:09:01,990 --> 02:08:58,760
anyway she ended up she's she's gone now

2897
02:09:06,010 --> 02:09:02,000
her husband is still alive but she had

2898
02:09:07,180 --> 02:09:06,020
made sure that they moved to a certain

2899
02:09:10,540 --> 02:09:07,190
part of the country where there were

2900
02:09:12,490 --> 02:09:10,550
lots of very tall mountains because she

2901
02:09:15,189 --> 02:09:12,500
said pretty much the aliens had told her

2902
02:09:16,870 --> 02:09:15,199
there was going to be the kind of you

2903
02:09:18,160 --> 02:09:16,880
know devastation that Edgar Cayce talked

2904
02:09:23,260 --> 02:09:18,170
about and a lot of people have talked

2905
02:09:25,330 --> 02:09:23,270
about geographically and what struck me

2906
02:09:27,970 --> 02:09:25,340
is kind of odd and I've never heard

2907
02:09:31,990 --> 02:09:27,980
anybody even mentioned it but was none

2908
02:09:33,010 --> 02:09:32,000
of that came to pass during her life so

2909
02:09:35,680 --> 02:09:33,020
all of her

2910
02:09:37,600 --> 02:09:35,690
her efforts now she may have gotten her

2911
02:09:40,090 --> 02:09:37,610
timeframe wrong or maybe the aliens got

2912
02:09:42,430 --> 02:09:40,100
the timeframe wrong maybe it will come

2913
02:09:43,720 --> 02:09:42,440
to pass and people are certainly still

2914
02:09:45,130 --> 02:09:43,730
talking about it particularly with you

2915
02:09:48,370 --> 02:09:45,140
know the rise in the sea level and all

2916
02:09:49,750 --> 02:09:48,380
kinds of stuff like that but it didn't

2917
02:09:52,240 --> 02:09:49,760
happen in her lifetime would you

2918
02:09:55,420 --> 02:09:52,250
consider that to be a deception or a

2919
02:09:58,030 --> 02:09:55,430
trick or is that simply an error in the

2920
02:10:00,310 --> 02:09:58,040
communication or maybe if we're gonna be

2921
02:10:03,370 --> 02:10:00,320
skeptical about it we can discuss this

2922
02:10:06,370 --> 02:10:03,380
in our next segment evidence that this

2923
02:10:09,700 --> 02:10:06,380
channeling episode was not based in fact

2924
02:10:11,640 --> 02:10:09,710
or that the force that was channeling

2925
02:10:14,140 --> 02:10:11,650
that was sending this this information

2926
02:10:15,760 --> 02:10:14,150
wasn't telling the truth why believe

2927
02:10:18,250 --> 02:10:15,770
them anyway let's get into more of this

2928
02:10:21,400 --> 02:10:18,260
in our next segment with Nancy deuteron

2929
02:10:32,279 --> 02:10:21,410
and Jean and Chris you're in the pure

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cast thank you for listening to GCN

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you are listening to the podcast so what

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about alien deception I mean if the

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aliens say we're this we're Pelagians

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we're Martians and venetians whatever

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they tell us why believe anything they

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say I don't know that you should why

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would you would you believe anything

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that that's a stranger come up came up

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and told you about well I don't know

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they believe certain politicians who are

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strangers even though they spout

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nonsense right which is why you need

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people who are able to discern and think

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about things carefully not jump to

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conclusions I mean you do have to be

3050
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careful about that I talk about in in

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how to talk to an alien I talk about

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situations where they seem to be able

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the the aliens seem to be able to

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control our thoughts and emotions and

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behavior with a frightening kind of

3056
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efficiency I have a friend of mine who

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was traveling and she always carries a

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camera she's into UFOs and that kind of

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thing she always keeps camera in the

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front seat just in case she was driving

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through Arizona she looks up she sees a

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UFO and she she's driving through

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Arizona she sees a UFO she thinks oh

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that's that's kind of cool that's kind

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of interesting driving along a little

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bit more she sees you know two three

3067
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four oh wow that's that's nice she looks

3068
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up at a certain point she says they're

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hundreds of them hundreds of UFOs in the

3070
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sky she doesn't stop she doesn't pick up

3071
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her camera she doesn't do anything she

3072
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gets to her friend's house Fran says how

3073
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was your trip oh it's great so you know

3074
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some UFOs really you saw UFO no I'm just

3075
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I actually saw hundreds hundreds are you

3076
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kidding me no that's what I saw

3077
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well you got pictures right you have

3078
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your camera right in the front seat of

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your car no she didn't think of it until

3080
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later she

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saying oh my goodness what the heck was

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I thinking

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she wasn't that's right she gets

3084
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switched off and what I'm saying is that

3085
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they do seem to have a capacity all the

3086
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research in the cases show this to

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switch us on and off as well as to make

3088
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us love them which i think is a

3089
02:17:19,250 --> 02:17:16,500
particularly scary idea and i always

3090
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wonder whether certain abductees or

3091
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contactees haven't succumbed to whatever

3092
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that control was as well as to make us

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fear them they can pretty much run

3094
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roughshod over everything that we know

3095
02:17:35,450 --> 02:17:33,780
to be our reality you're raising

3096
02:17:38,500 --> 02:17:35,460
something here I want to interrupt with

3097
02:17:41,540 --> 02:17:38,510
which is when we have cases like this

3098
02:17:43,929 --> 02:17:41,550
how do we know the experiencer isn't

3099
02:17:47,179 --> 02:17:43,939
just faking it to get some notoriety

3100
02:17:49,879 --> 02:17:47,189
well cases like that I mean I know tons

3101
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of people actually it's they run for the

3102
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hills they don't want anyone to know

3103
02:17:56,270 --> 02:17:55,019
about their experiences and to get their

3104
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experiences out of them is like pulling

3105
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teeth so if someone maybe is too eager

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to tell you about the experience that

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might indicate deception again that's

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where that that toolkit and the BS meter

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comes in handy you know after you've

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interviewed thousands of people you get

3111
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kind of a sense so or at least hundreds

3112
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of people you get a sense of when

3113
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someone's being you know through their

3114
02:18:22,820 --> 02:18:19,200
body language through the way they

3115
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answer questions the particular

3116
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linguistic inflections in what they're

3117
02:18:30,679 --> 02:18:28,650
saying I mean you can I think determined

3118
02:18:33,169 --> 02:18:30,689
fairly accurately someone who's

3119
02:18:36,919 --> 02:18:33,179
delusional versus someone that's that's

3120
02:18:39,560 --> 02:18:36,929
so blown away by a real experience that

3121
02:18:42,440 --> 02:18:39,570
you know they want to tell anybody

3122
02:18:45,080 --> 02:18:42,450
didn't listen so it's there's no hard

3123
02:18:47,060 --> 02:18:45,090
fast rule jeanne Nancy what's your point

3124
02:18:50,179 --> 02:18:47,070
of view no I would I would agree with

3125
02:18:53,660 --> 02:18:50,189
Chris I think that's true some people

3126
02:18:56,750 --> 02:18:53,670
you can you can tell what's sheer

3127
02:18:58,209 --> 02:18:56,760
excitement you know it you just you you

3128
02:19:01,429 --> 02:18:58,219
got to share something because it was so

3129
02:19:05,180 --> 02:19:01,439
mind-blowing and amazing versus somebody

3130
02:19:09,370 --> 02:19:05,190
who is looking for some attention

3131
02:19:13,040 --> 02:19:09,380
and or somebody who's too easily

3132
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convinced of something you know you just

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that that's all in the knowingness

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psychology that of people and that other

3135
02:19:24,140 --> 02:19:21,929
person yeah if you have a group of

3136
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people that include a doctor or a bank a

3137
02:19:30,470 --> 02:19:27,990
guy and a science fiction writer that

3138
02:19:33,380 --> 02:19:30,480
have a an experience you're gonna see

3139
02:19:38,480 --> 02:19:33,390
pretty interesting languaging and

3140
02:19:40,580 --> 02:19:38,490
descriptions and they will I think have

3141
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a lot of variants in them from person to

3142
02:19:45,400 --> 02:19:42,929
person I mean I've had that that

3143
02:19:47,390 --> 02:19:45,410
situation happened before it's

3144
02:19:49,011 --> 02:19:47,400
impossible to accept anything that

3145
02:19:51,320 --> 02:19:49,021
happens to us in our reality at face

3146
02:19:52,820 --> 02:19:51,330
value and it's impossible to listen to

3147
02:19:54,680 --> 02:19:52,830
somebody that's had to go through that

3148
02:19:57,051 --> 02:19:54,690
process it's impossible to take

3149
02:19:59,301 --> 02:19:57,061
everything that they say at face value

3150
02:20:02,420 --> 02:19:59,311
you know witness testimony is often the

3151
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most unreliable according to law

3152
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enforcement and courts you know in in

3153
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for a good reason people's minds when

3154
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faced with you know just fantastic

3155
02:20:22,190 --> 02:20:17,760
events tend to revert to primal images

3156
02:20:24,020 --> 02:20:22,200
tend to revert to basic languaging some

3157
02:20:26,030 --> 02:20:24,030
people have even been known to go into

3158
02:20:29,060 --> 02:20:26,040
fits of glossolalia where they all of a

3159
02:20:30,920 --> 02:20:29,070
sudden start babbling in you know in a

3160
02:20:33,920 --> 02:20:30,930
language that's unknown to the other

3161
02:20:36,770 --> 02:20:33,930
people listening I've got several cases

3162
02:20:39,470 --> 02:20:36,780
that feature that where where a person

3163
02:20:41,570 --> 02:20:39,480
is so compelled to attempt to describe

3164
02:20:44,900 --> 02:20:41,580
what they've seen and they don't have

3165
02:20:47,540 --> 02:20:44,910
the actual syntax or languaging to do

3166
02:20:52,450 --> 02:20:47,550
that they they go into fits of speaking

3167
02:20:55,820 --> 02:20:52,460
in in in glossolalia which is you know

3168
02:20:58,131 --> 02:20:55,830
syntax with no meaning behind it to the

3169
02:20:59,810 --> 02:20:58,141
listener but it has meaning oftentimes

3170
02:21:02,560 --> 02:20:59,820
to the person that's but that's babbling

3171
02:21:05,810 --> 02:21:02,570
it Terence Mckenna was real big on

3172
02:21:08,480 --> 02:21:05,820
glossolalia the effects of entheogens

3173
02:21:12,920 --> 02:21:08,490
DMT especially dimethyltryptamine and

3174
02:21:16,520 --> 02:21:12,930
how it can produce spontaneous outbursts

3175
02:21:18,261 --> 02:21:16,530
of glossolalia during a DMT flash as he

3176
02:21:19,260 --> 02:21:18,271
calls it when when the Machine elves are

3177
02:21:21,359 --> 02:21:19,270
producing laying

3178
02:21:24,240 --> 02:21:21,369
as visible that language that can be

3179
02:21:26,729 --> 02:21:24,250
beheld and people revert into go into

3180
02:21:28,819 --> 02:21:26,739
this glossolalia place as an attempt to

3181
02:21:31,800 --> 02:21:28,829
either identify with it

3182
02:21:34,830 --> 02:21:31,810
reinterpret it and communicate it to

3183
02:21:36,599 --> 02:21:34,840
someone else so you know this is a very

3184
02:21:38,429 --> 02:21:36,609
fertile ground and you're you know

3185
02:21:40,679 --> 02:21:38,439
you're right this is not a subject that

3186
02:21:44,340 --> 02:21:40,689
really has been has been really looked

3187
02:21:47,279 --> 02:21:44,350
at in depth our last show featured Josh

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02:21:50,790 --> 02:21:47,289
Cochin who's into the whole idea of

3189
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Trojan piece of actual food that has

3190
02:21:55,620 --> 02:21:53,079
been offered from aliens and that sort

3191
02:21:59,550 --> 02:21:55,630
of thing fascinating I love to see these

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02:22:02,149 --> 02:21:59,560
new avenues of thought opened up an

3193
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investigation and research opened up and

3194
02:22:06,899 --> 02:22:04,449
that kind of leads me to one of our last

3195
02:22:08,309 --> 02:22:06,909
questions here from Ravens feet and she

3196
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says recently we've seen a number of

3197
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projects launch that aim to use camera

3198
02:22:15,389 --> 02:22:13,420
units and I add other monitoring

3199
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equipment and even a satellite to look

3200
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for UFOs and this is in the private

3201
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sector in part this seems to be an

3202
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attempt to move away from witness

3203
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reports and towards measurable

3204
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information how do you feel about this

3205
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scientific approach to the phenomenon

3206
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and how do you feel your current work

3207
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fits within this new push by ufology for

3208
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scientific credibility

3209
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yikes and I'm trying to listen to you

3210
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maybe the cat is channelling a message

3211
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here

3212
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yes something new no now she's just

3213
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trying to annoy me how do I feel about

3214
02:22:54,719 --> 02:22:51,810
the technology that's being used to

3215
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what's it being directed yet to measure

3216
02:23:00,689 --> 02:22:57,789
to measure energies and optically

3217
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capture and triangulate on on UFO events

3218
02:23:07,889 --> 02:23:03,250
and use gravity meters magnetometers

3219
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blaze gratings to try to gain some real

3220
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hard irrefutable unequivocal scientific

3221
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data pertaining to these objects you

3222
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know kind of look at the object first

3223
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and see what we're dealing with I think

3224
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makes sense but how does this new push

3225
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which we're seeing you know Leslie Kane

3226
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mark wrote ago have UFO data which is

3227
02:23:32,720 --> 02:23:30,091
going to be a network of camera

3228
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you know surveillance stations I have my

3229
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San Luis Valley camera project which

3230
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I've been working on

3231
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we have other efforts Douglas Trumbull

3232
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of course the special effects wizard

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behind Blade Runner in 2001 blah blah

3234
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blah he and Mark Dantonio are working on

3235
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a UFO cat there is a movement within the

3236
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field to gain scientific legitimacy by

3237
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obtaining irrefutable physical evidence

3238
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that you could write a paper on for a

3239
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scientific journal let's say one that

3240
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would accept one but how does that

3241
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dovetail with with this work that you're

3242
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doing with the linguistics angle with a

3243
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new approach to you know establishing or

3244
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at least attempting to establish

3245
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communication let's do our break here

3246
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and get the answer in our final segment

3247
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with Nancy do tortora and gene and Chris

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3349
02:29:05,970 --> 02:29:03,880
receiving an alien communication let's

3350
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just pause for a second the book is how

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to talk to an alien Nancy what's your

3352
02:29:13,140 --> 02:29:10,120
response to Chris's question I think it

3353
02:29:15,480 --> 02:29:13,150
reminds me an awful lot of the work that

3354
02:29:19,140 --> 02:29:15,490
I did in the paranormal field where you

3355
02:29:21,030 --> 02:29:19,150
usually had a bunch of guys who figured

3356
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that nothing was real unless they had a

3357
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machine that would tell them it was real

3358
02:29:28,410 --> 02:29:26,440
I think it's great I think that we're

3359
02:29:31,080 --> 02:29:28,420
all again looking for a consensus

3360
02:29:32,881 --> 02:29:31,090
reality you know people in the

3361
02:29:36,120 --> 02:29:32,891
paranormal field like to say that all

3362
02:29:39,900 --> 02:29:36,130
that stuff is scientific but it's kind

3363
02:29:43,500 --> 02:29:39,910
of not it's just a different method of

3364
02:29:47,551 --> 02:29:43,510
capturing data and I think that when you

3365
02:29:50,250 --> 02:29:47,561
when you're using equipment as opposed

3366
02:29:50,730 --> 02:29:50,260
to your biological organism to capture

3367
02:29:52,740 --> 02:29:50,740
data

3368
02:29:54,421 --> 02:29:52,750
you always have to realize number one is

3369
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being filtered through your biological

3370
02:30:01,020 --> 02:29:57,610
organism and certainly that's the topic

3371
02:30:04,290 --> 02:30:01,030
du jour of you know quantum physics as

3372
02:30:07,890 --> 02:30:04,300
we all know and also the fact that your

3373
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equipment is just as limited as your

3374
02:30:14,250 --> 02:30:11,290
physical body which would explain why

3375
02:30:16,801 --> 02:30:14,260
UFOs sometimes will show up on radar and

3376
02:30:21,750 --> 02:30:16,811
sometimes they won't so as long as

3377
02:30:25,200 --> 02:30:21,760
people are humble about their being able

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to capture the ultimate reality with

3379
02:30:29,400 --> 02:30:27,580
their equipment which you know they'll

3380
02:30:31,500 --> 02:30:29,410
capture a piece of reality that's it

3381
02:30:34,200 --> 02:30:31,510
then that's fine and I think that's

3382
02:30:38,370 --> 02:30:34,210
great and I'm all in favor I think that

3383
02:30:41,940 --> 02:30:38,380
there's a movement towards understanding

3384
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the fact that we as biological organisms

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are very powerfully equipped to capture

3386
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information I think that we have

3387
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problems many times with interpreting

3388
02:30:56,170 --> 02:30:52,840
the data

3389
02:30:59,860 --> 02:30:56,180
but you know the all those beautiful

3390
02:31:01,450 --> 02:30:59,870
photos that we get from the telescopes

3391
02:31:03,940 --> 02:31:01,460
in outer space

3392
02:31:06,790 --> 02:31:03,950
they've all been coated with color they

3393
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don't actually look like those colors we

3394
02:31:11,590 --> 02:31:10,040
humans have coded that the machines some

3395
02:31:15,520 --> 02:31:11,600
machines are always going to be

3396
02:31:18,670 --> 02:31:15,530
subjected to our input and on top of

3397
02:31:20,410 --> 02:31:18,680
that color doesn't exist it's a

3398
02:31:23,830 --> 02:31:20,420
vibration so it's all about

3399
02:31:25,990 --> 02:31:23,840
interpretation everything about reality

3400
02:31:28,650 --> 02:31:26,000
is subjective and everything about

3401
02:31:30,640 --> 02:31:28,660
science is subjective because of that

3402
02:31:32,410 --> 02:31:30,650
element that needs to be there and

3403
02:31:34,780 --> 02:31:32,420
that's interpretation of the data but

3404
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but do you feel that scientific

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credibility is even something we should

3406
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be remotely concerned about I mean they

3407
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don't believe us already so why do I try

3408
02:31:46,210 --> 02:31:43,250
to try and change their minds would be

3409
02:31:49,660 --> 02:31:46,220
the argument I guess I once said to Ingo

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who isn't known as the father of or the

3411
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grandfather of remote viewing I said to

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him you know I'm thinking about

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interviewing

3414
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maybe the amazing Randi for I forget

3415
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what I was doing for my book whatever it

3416
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was I was working on and he said you

3417
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know what forget it it's a waste of time

3418
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I said really he said yeah why he's

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repeating what's already known there's

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absolutely no increased knowledge source

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02:32:19,270 --> 02:32:17,330
there and ultimately I took that advice

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to heart and I didn't bother it's it's a

3423
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waste of time and life is way too short

3424
02:32:27,100 --> 02:32:24,320
there is way too much information to be

3425
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known and gathered and if some people

3426
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don't like it well that's okay

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you know and and I'm no longer bothered

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by people who don't seem to get what I

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do it is I know it's valuable and I know

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eventually generations from now or

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whenever somebody will get it and that's

3432
02:32:46,390 --> 02:32:44,270
fine yeah yeah if they don't get it it's

3433
02:32:53,290 --> 02:32:46,400
a personal problem and they're working

3434
02:32:55,179 --> 02:32:53,300
on it yeah I like that point of view

3435
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it's refreshing so many people are so

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serious about all this stuff and they

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feel that their opinion their their

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theory their you know drum that they're

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02:33:07,350 --> 02:33:03,790
banging on is

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is of ultimate importance for the future

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02:33:11,460 --> 02:33:09,910
of mankind and you know I live just down

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the hill from Sedona and believe me

3443
02:33:18,390 --> 02:33:14,260
people that have a shall we say an

3444
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exalted sense of self-worth because they

3445
02:33:23,160 --> 02:33:20,830
they channels Uche or they channeled

3446
02:33:24,960 --> 02:33:23,170
this one or that one and then it nothing

3447
02:33:28,350 --> 02:33:24,970
else matters except for their channel

3448
02:33:30,300 --> 02:33:28,360
material and if you disagree their dis

3449
02:33:31,520 --> 02:33:30,310
incarnate spirit guide can beat the heck

3450
02:33:35,070 --> 02:33:31,530
out of yours

3451
02:33:38,520 --> 02:33:35,080
so be careful yeah that's that's the

3452
02:33:40,410 --> 02:33:38,530
done' in a nutshell so basically what

3453
02:33:42,690 --> 02:33:40,420
I'm hearing is you're saying look it's

3454
02:33:44,670 --> 02:33:42,700
gonna happen if it's gonna happen boys

3455
02:33:47,040 --> 02:33:44,680
with toys uh you know it's all

3456
02:33:49,261 --> 02:33:47,050
subjective it doesn't really matter so

3457
02:33:50,580 --> 02:33:49,271
what if scientists don't get it it's a

3458
02:33:52,261 --> 02:33:50,590
you know personal problem they'll get

3459
02:33:55,590 --> 02:33:52,271
over it bah blah blah just keep on

3460
02:33:58,080 --> 02:33:55,600
keepin on is what I'm hearing yeah and

3461
02:34:00,810 --> 02:33:58,090
you know I'm just I'm a big advocate of

3462
02:34:03,270 --> 02:34:00,820
combining all of our tools in the same

3463
02:34:06,360 --> 02:34:03,280
way when you are a team player

3464
02:34:11,270 --> 02:34:06,370
of course I'm a team player okay good

3465
02:34:15,960 --> 02:34:14,340
was doing psychic detective work and

3466
02:34:17,310 --> 02:34:15,970
working with difference you know law

3467
02:34:19,830 --> 02:34:17,320
enforcement police departments whatever

3468
02:34:21,450 --> 02:34:19,840
I never ever went out and said oh yeah I

3469
02:34:23,850 --> 02:34:21,460
solved that case I don't believe I ever

3470
02:34:26,070 --> 02:34:23,860
solved a case all I did was deliver

3471
02:34:28,140 --> 02:34:26,080
information and I described what I was

3472
02:34:30,030 --> 02:34:28,150
doing as being just one more tool in

3473
02:34:33,270 --> 02:34:30,040
toolbox that's all

3474
02:34:33,930 --> 02:34:33,280
everybody's got a role and and the more

3475
02:34:37,020 --> 02:34:33,940
the merrier

3476
02:34:39,600 --> 02:34:37,030
yeah hear hear I'm all for team playing

3477
02:34:41,460 --> 02:34:39,610
and you know the Rodney King school of

3478
02:34:43,680 --> 02:34:41,470
getting along you know why can't we all

3479
02:34:46,590 --> 02:34:43,690
just get along in this fractious field

3480
02:34:50,460 --> 02:34:46,600
of the paranormal ufology cryptozoology

3481
02:34:54,060 --> 02:34:50,470
it is just rife with people thinking

3482
02:34:56,250 --> 02:34:54,070
that their importance is the end-all to

3483
02:34:58,620 --> 02:34:56,260
be all for for everyone else in the

3484
02:35:00,750 --> 02:34:58,630
field and and they should be listened to

3485
02:35:02,370 --> 02:35:00,760
not in this guy or that guy and my

3486
02:35:04,590 --> 02:35:02,380
theory is better than your theory and

3487
02:35:07,560 --> 02:35:04,600
you know I don't care what you say I'll

3488
02:35:10,620 --> 02:35:07,570
never change my mind you're part of the

3489
02:35:12,870 --> 02:35:10,630
problem not part of the solution I mean

3490
02:35:15,660 --> 02:35:12,880
it gets ridiculous and I would suggest

3491
02:35:17,000 --> 02:35:15,670
you Nancy to continue staying head and

3492
02:35:19,550 --> 02:35:17,010
shoulders above the fray

3493
02:35:22,340 --> 02:35:19,560
because I'll tell you it gets pretty

3494
02:35:24,410 --> 02:35:22,350
down and dirty in the trenches and I'm

3495
02:35:28,960 --> 02:35:24,420
sure you've you know you're aware of

3496
02:35:30,920 --> 02:35:28,970
that and I do I do really urge you to

3497
02:35:34,670 --> 02:35:30,930
take the high road

3498
02:35:36,830 --> 02:35:34,680
listen I try to and and it sounds like

3499
02:35:38,660 --> 02:35:36,840
you're doing a good job of it being an

3500
02:35:41,929 --> 02:35:38,670
attorney I sort of understand the high

3501
02:35:45,920 --> 02:35:41,939
roads and low roads Oh should am I in

3502
02:35:47,929 --> 02:35:45,930
trouble if I asked you if you know okay

3503
02:35:49,399 --> 02:35:47,939
it's an interesting road to go to

3504
02:35:53,870 --> 02:35:49,409
something like that when you're dealing

3505
02:35:56,090 --> 02:35:53,880
with cold logic and what words mean and

3506
02:35:58,429 --> 02:35:56,100
laws and interpreting laws and getting

3507
02:36:00,439 --> 02:35:58,439
to this we're just about out of time

3508
02:36:02,090 --> 02:36:00,449
Nancy could you tell our listeners if

3509
02:36:04,219 --> 02:36:02,100
they want to know more about how to talk

3510
02:36:08,059 --> 02:36:04,229
to an alien and the sort of work you do

3511
02:36:13,569 --> 02:36:08,069
where did they go well they go to Mars

3512
02:36:16,399 --> 02:36:13,579
Venus and Mars are alright tonight

3513
02:36:18,710 --> 02:36:16,409
McCartney it just don't go to dracco or

3514
02:36:21,529 --> 02:36:18,720
Zeta Reticuli yeah

3515
02:36:23,899 --> 02:36:21,539
no they go to so the book is called how

3516
02:36:26,239 --> 02:36:23,909
to talk to an alien obviously and it's

3517
02:36:29,559 --> 02:36:26,249
available on Amazon Barnes and Noble

3518
02:36:35,450 --> 02:36:29,569
I know MUFON has got it you know they're

3519
02:36:37,399 --> 02:36:35,460
fine bookstores if they want to reach me

3520
02:36:40,340 --> 02:36:37,409
and by the way I'm very interested if

3521
02:36:42,439 --> 02:36:40,350
anybody is willing to share any samples

3522
02:36:45,500 --> 02:36:42,449
of recordings they might have of alien

3523
02:36:46,580 --> 02:36:45,510
speech or symbols I'm very very

3524
02:36:49,519 --> 02:36:46,590
interested in receiving those because

3525
02:36:52,760 --> 02:36:49,529
I'm putting together a cross comparative

3526
02:36:55,069 --> 02:36:52,770
analysis of these things they can reach

3527
02:36:57,880 --> 02:36:55,079
me either by going to I have two

3528
02:37:02,269 --> 02:36:57,890
websites the skeptical psychic comm or

3529
02:37:03,019 --> 02:37:02,279
talk alien comm sounds like a good title

3530
02:37:05,989 --> 02:37:03,029
for a talk show

3531
02:37:09,859 --> 02:37:05,999
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find us on Twitter it took a while for

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02:37:22,729 --> 02:37:19,229
Chris to get that one I didn't hear her

3536
02:37:25,550 --> 02:37:22,739
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02:38:44,359 --> 02:38:42,210
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02:38:51,100 --> 02:38:44,369
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02:38:57,120 --> 02:38:53,600
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